Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today • Hacker News Board

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by flukus » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:22 AM UTC

sparkling wrote: post #89

Roritharr wrote: post #86

What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

I think that was a reference to the US election interference, not the EU.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by icebraining » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:25 AM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #51

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course the idea that you can just drag the CEO up to account for whatever grievances you have against the company and hope to get anything out of it seems a bit misguided to me. Well, we have to restore the long-forgotten idea of responsibility. The CEO is legally responsible for any wrongdoings of the company. He should also be morally responsible for all unethical activities. But Zuck's defense strategy so far…

That's because the ethics of what Facebook (and by extension, all online companies) do is a relatively new question and business model. Morally questionable maybe, but it's taken e.g. the EU over ten years to finally start realizing what's going on - bit too late if you ask me. Moral grey area, and legally anything happening to actual Facebook users - who agreed to the terms & conditions - is fine. The non-facebook u…

it's taken e.g. the EU over ten years to finally start realizing what's going on

The Data Protection Directive is from 1995. The GDPR is only an extension and reformulation of it. For example, the existing law already killed the so-called Safe Harbor that US companies had to move data to the US[1], and forced FB to start providing copies of the data they hold to EU citizens[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Safe_Harbor_Priv...

[2] http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Get_your_Data_/get_your_data...

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by gambiting » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:26 AM UTC

sparkling wrote: post #89

Roritharr wrote: post #86

What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook

Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I guess it's unlikely you share my enthusiasm for it.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by repolfx » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:28 AM UTC

flukus wrote: post #91

sparkling wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

I think that was a reference to the US election interference, not the EU.

It's both. Verhofstadt is a full-blown European federalist (people who want Europe to be united under a single government and single flag). The fortunes of that dream have not been good lately, and he's looking for people to blame that aren't people like himself.

I find it pathetic. Verhofstadt and people like him are one of the things that turned me off the EU and turned me into a Brexit voter. They routinely describe almost anything they don't like as "destroying democracy" or "violating democratic norms" regardless of the facts of the matter. In reality they couldn't give a rats ass about what the people want. Just compare cross-Europe opinion polls asking people what they think the top priorities of government should be (hint: immigration, terrorism) vs what the EU actually chooses to do.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by zaarn » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:28 AM UTC

melicerte wrote: post #40

zaarn wrote: post #2

From what I gathered on news sources, most of the (german) MEPs are extremely pissed at Zuckerberg in regards to the question answered, the format of the Q&A and the refusal to livestream a real Q&A. He brought up the question about FB's monopoly on the market, stating that there are plenty of competitor products ("we might have a monopoly on cars but there are still planes, bikes and walking!"). Zuck didn't make fri…

Just to be exact, I think the MEP you quoted is Guy Verhofstadt[1], who is of Belgian nationality. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Verhofstadt

Yeah, I was reading it this morning and wasn't certain which of them said that or if I heard it elsewhere in a chat.

It's imo a good point and I really hope that the EU gets nasty with FB if they abuse their monopoly any further (or puts up steps to remove the monopoly as with IE (though I don't think the IE case really did much))

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by mikejb » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:29 AM UTC

sparkling wrote: post #89

Roritharr wrote: post #86

What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

How much of the information about EU politicians robbing people by artificially devaluing currency, influx of illegal refugees, and whatever you could go on about, has been shared and spread through Facebook, generating attention for that information (whether it is accurate or not) in the first place?

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by seqastian » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:29 AM UTC

flukus wrote: post #91

sparkling wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

I think that was a reference to the US election interference, not the EU.

The rise of populism in Europe maybe?

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by Scarblac » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:29 AM UTC

flukus wrote: post #91

sparkling wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

I think that was a reference to the US election interference, not the EU.

And Brexit.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by repolfx » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:30 AM UTC

valesco wrote: post #37

Tharkun wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't see why not. Maybe it's what GDPR says, but it's wrong and I can't see this being enforced. If data collection is the "payment" for using the "service", you have two choices: you don't pay and don't use the service, or you pay up. This is like saying a business can't make usage of a service conditional to payment.

This is a uniquely American point of view on a European law though.

Businesses that make money off advertising are found all over the world, which is a bigger place than just America and the EU.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by matlock » Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:30 AM UTC

sparkling wrote: post #89

Roritharr wrote: post #86

What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

You should really do your research before saying things like "stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers"

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/straight-cucumbers/

This was to make it clearer across all Markets what products you buy to make a single market easier on everyone. This is just FUD that really shouldn't be part of this conversation.