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Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

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HTTP is not intrinsically tied to finance, though. This is specifically a protocol for financial transactions, for sure it would fall under AML laws.

I’m sorry but you are mistaken. I think you should research this technology more.

Are you a finance law attorney? This is marketed as a financial protocol. Completely different than HTTP.

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

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Thank you for voicing your uneasiness with the name. Dharma in Hinduism connotates ""right way of living". I am aghast that what is sacred to us reduced to a marketing tag line. Couldn't these people look up wikepedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma , to realize this name for a crypo app is not going to go well ? Or are they intentionally tone deaf ?

The idea of Hinduism is nonexistent. What unifies all "religious" and scientific/mathematical theories in India, is the fundamental idea of Dharma. Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism, and the various schools that are characterized as "Hinduism", all in one way or another layout vast theories about "Dharma" is, and give their own varying definitions of it. Calling this a "Dharma Protocol" is more apt than people think, and I'…

The fundamental ideas of Sikhism , Jainism and Buddism are not equivalent and Dharma in in each of these religions means aderence to their idea of the righteous way.These ideas are distinct and practitioner of these religions would dissmiss your theory of unified dharma. There are several Sikh scholars that I know of who could help you with your understanding of Sikhism and how it is different from Hinduism. However, a visit to a Sikh temple would be a better idea.

>>idea of Hinduism is nonexistent This assertion is breathtakingly arrogant . Granted that Hinduism does not fit neatly within the traditional Judeo Christian definition of religions but this is absurdly ignorant. The Brits and the Portugese tried tried very hard to erase Hinduism and failed.( The Portugese went so far to claim Hindus dont have souls -- but that is a discussions for another day). Please note that I do not speak for Hinduism but your assertions are too absurd to ignore.

To give you an analogy -- you are saying the idea of apples is nonexistent. There are RoyalDelicious, Gala, Honeycrisp etc etc, -- but there is no apple .

My initial objection was to crpto snake-oil salesmen using eastern sounding names to disguise their snake oil and sadly they will succeed until this baloon pops.

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

#133

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The collateral can be any other asset that is represented by a cryptographic token. Right now, few crypto-assets map to real world assets in some capacity, but we're willing to make a bet that this will change faster than most expect. Already, though, there are many interesting assets in the world of crypto that are particularly well suited to being put up for collateral -- namely, the emerging class of crypto-collec…

> namely, the emerging class of crypto-collectibles such as CryptoKitties. You can’t honestly be serious about this. Please get outside the Silicon Valley bubble and look around.

Look at the number of people that collect all kinds of crap: DVDs, video games, stamps, baseball cards, in-game virtual items, comics, art, etc. You can argue that some of it has more utility -- art is culture! you can watch a DVD! -- but the mindset of collecting goes beyond that, and certain utility, like games or trading cards, maps just as well to the crypto collectible world. Cryptokitties is an early example, but I am 95%+ confident something like it will be a HUGE hit within the next few years. So yeah, why not use the crap you already collect to secure a loan?

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

#134

This service sounds incredible! However, naming it "Plex" seems like a bit of a hiccup since most just think of Plex as the most pervasive home media server in existence...

Or that currency I used to buy my first space ship. In eve online.

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

#135

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I’m sorry but you are mistaken. I think you should research this technology more.

Are you a finance law attorney? This is marketed as a financial protocol. Completely different than HTTP.

An RFC and source code does not constitute participation. That is dharma at this point.

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

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Congrats on getting to this point! Been following Dharma closely for a little while now as we (Kiva) have an interest in trying to increase financial inclusion and decrease lending costs for the world's poor and have been hoping Dharma may end up being one piece to the future of our work. Could you possibly speak to how you intend to enable KYC (Know Your Customer) / AML (Anti-Money Laundering) to work with Dharma? T…

I am an engineer at a Coinbase competitor company and I have been thinking about this problem (massive amounts of crypto assets lying dormant) and possible leverage (global access to a universal debt market) and I have been researching Kiva since it seems to be the early player in this space. My 2c - Yes KYC and AML is important but it doesn't make sense relying on national identity documentation and storing everyone's PII in your own database. There's a ton of companies working on identity solutions where the user retains ownership of their sensitive information. With GDPR catching on and similar regional legislation popping up pretty much everywhere outside the EU, KYC and AML information pose a significant liability (and rightly so!) to companies in the fintech space. Especially so for early entrepreneurs who want to innovate but don't have the risk and compliance teams to deal with such sensitive information.

The proper solution is not to hold people's PII at all and depend on a provider (ThisIsMe, Civic, Consent, IDNow, etc, etc, etc, etc) combined with the customer's social graph information. If you want to know your customer, you need to know the people who knows your customer. After-all, who knows you better than your family and friends?

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

#137

Congrats on getting to this point! Been following Dharma closely for a little while now as we (Kiva) have an interest in trying to increase financial inclusion and decrease lending costs for the world's poor and have been hoping Dharma may end up being one piece to the future of our work. Could you possibly speak to how you intend to enable KYC (Know Your Customer) / AML (Anti-Money Laundering) to work with Dharma? T…

Thank you! :) We've pretty deliberately opted out of baking jurisdiction-specific protections (be they KYC / AML, accreditation, etc.) into the protocol insofar as we really want this to be a universal standard that's jurisdiction-agnostic -- to give a somewhat crass analogy, most developers would agree that it does not make sense for content-protection against, say, child pornography, to sit at the level of TCP / IP…

I also work in the exchange space like you used to and my thinking is pretty much fully aligned with the way you pose the issue and I'm very excited about your intention behind Dharma. I also agree with your current thoughts on approaching KYC and AML (please see my post in response to this one's parent). I'll reach out to you via your website if you don't mind since HN doesn't have PMs, would love to figure out if there's a way I can contribute.

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

#138
I propose one more tiny step. Instead of having to use these cumbersome cryptocurrencies as payments method, you could also use these IOU's of selected trustworthy institutions as payment tokens. I mean, Instead of you needing to get your currency back from Coinbase and then transfer it to your coffee shop owner, you would just say to Coinbase that hey, you do not need to pay me this cryptocurrency, pay the coffeeshop instead. Wouldn't that be much more efficient?

This is actually one of the more frustrating issues for me in cryptocurrency discussions. The underlying monetary policy is of fixed or predefined money supply, that is supposed to somehow stabilize the price/value of the cryptocurrency in the long term because of hand waving, wishful thinking and reasons, all the while having exactly no way to stop fractional reserve banking emerging nor regulating it or the additional monetary supply it will create. This being one of the main reasons why current crop of cryptocurrencies will never be used as economy-wide payment method and why their price will always stay chaotic (unless the price stabilizes to zero...)

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

#139

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Not quite. The ecosystem was much smaller back then. Nowadays, I'm not sure one company would be able to make a case for forking the currency. Besides, you can still buy ETH classic, if you disagree with the decision. It's just not worth much.

I am 100% sure that if I went and "the code is the contract"ed whatever ends up being DAO2.0 out of 5% of all existing ETH, that Vitalik would come save it "just this once" one more time... I absolutely do not believe for one second that there wouldn't be another fork. And I say this as someone with a substantial interest in the currency.

Nope, won't happen again. Look at EIP-999. It's backed by Vitalik but is still dead.

Re: Launch HN: Dharma (YC S17) an open protocol for borrowing/lending cryptoassets

#140

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The collateral can be any other asset that is represented by a cryptographic token. Right now, few crypto-assets map to real world assets in some capacity, but we're willing to make a bet that this will change faster than most expect. Already, though, there are many interesting assets in the world of crypto that are particularly well suited to being put up for collateral -- namely, the emerging class of crypto-collec…

> namely, the emerging class of crypto-collectibles such as CryptoKitties. You can’t honestly be serious about this. Please get outside the Silicon Valley bubble and look around.

You have no idea how much you underestimate what CryptoKitties started. Cryptocollectibles will most likely be the first killer app. It's not about the kitties, it's about the underlying mechanic of owning a truly unique digital item.
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