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40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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Re: 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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40% of America’s lowest-income families’ consumption goes to luxuries. The bigger problem is American’s terrible spending habits not lack of real income. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/g...

>The bigger problem is American’s terrible spending habits not lack of real income.

Maybe terrible spending habits cause no lack of real income, and if everybody became responsible the economy would tank.

Re: 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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But personal responsibility is actually an important concept. It is completely unacceptable to not have $400 on reserve for an emergency as a functioning adult. That is a situation that can only be achieved by poor decision making and a lack of personal responsibility. Any strategy that is employed to remedy this has to contend with the fact that the individuals who need to have this situation remedied for themselves…

Spoken as someone well north of the poverty line. The reason for some people not having the money around is undoubtedly poor decision making, but for a great many others they simply have no gainful employment, no prospects of obtaining gainful employment and are often trapped in debt spirals due to past financial desperation. I'm real happy for you that you're so far removed from their situation that none of this occ…

Being trapped in a debt spiral due to past financial desperation is just a way of iterating forward in the loop of bad decision making. What I am saying is that to enter financial desperation in the United States is not actually possible if you utilize the available social safety net and make proper decisions.

Re: 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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40% of America’s lowest-income families’ consumption goes to luxuries. The bigger problem is American’s terrible spending habits not lack of real income. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/g...

You make it sound like poorer Americans are blowing their paychecks on designer handbags, but the article makes it clear that that's not what's happening. "Luxury goods" as economists define them are not what you'd expect. To quote the article:

> It’s worth noting that by the specialized nomenclature of the dismal science, even eating at McDonald’s is a luxury — that is, we do it more as our incomes rise — while smoking and lottery-ticket buying are categorized as necessities.

Re: 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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Try being black in a ghetto. What you mean is that a college educated young white male in his 20s/30s will have $400 in spare change around the house. Because we can't be bothered to keep track of $50 notes we keep around for pizza.

What exactly about being black and in a ghetto prevents you from gathering $400? I have worked multiple minimum wage jobs before without even being on any social welfare. If you are on social welfare, receiving food stamps, affordable housing, etc, you absolutely have the capability to provide yourself with an emergency buffer, even on minimum wage.

Racism mostly.

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We should but you know personal responsibility and all that jazz. The wealthy only care when the pitchforks come out. The biggest achievement of the wealthy has been to convince the middle class to eat itself.

But personal responsibility is actually an important concept. It is completely unacceptable to not have $400 on reserve for an emergency as a functioning adult. That is a situation that can only be achieved by poor decision making and a lack of personal responsibility. Any strategy that is employed to remedy this has to contend with the fact that the individuals who need to have this situation remedied for themselves…

OK, but, like, what if some people are just actually bad at making decisions? Unless you have a plan for that you’re just moralizing toward no practical end.

Re: 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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40% of America’s lowest-income families’ consumption goes to luxuries. The bigger problem is American’s terrible spending habits not lack of real income. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/g...

Those aren't luxuries as the word is often used. > For its part, the Deutsche Bank report explicitly defined luxuries as goods or services consumed in greater proportions as a person’s income increases and necessities as those goods or services that make up a smaller proportion of spending as a person’s income increases. > It’s worth noting that by the specialized nomenclature of the dismal science, even eating at Mc…

It’s a better definition of luxuries.

If someone is spending more on food, clothing, electronics as their income rise those things are clearly discretionary.

Re: 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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I think we as a nation should consider this an issue of national security. This type of financial instability in such a large percentage of the population could lead to making short-sighted or bad decisions in tough times, increased violence, increased rates of incarceration (both of those increasing the cost of government for all), among many other things. The reasons for it are multi-faceted I'm sure. I hope voters…

Your post is optimistic to the point I choked on my coffee. Our economy is predicated on consumer spending; we have a whole set of industries built on the backs of poor financial decision making and being near-broke (payday loans, credit cards, overdraft charge reordering, debt collectors, etc.) all of which pull power away from desperate people and give it to others (now your landlord/phone company/ISP/etc have lega…

Modern day slavery. Wow, never did I see it like this before.

Re: 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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But personal responsibility is actually an important concept. It is completely unacceptable to not have $400 on reserve for an emergency as a functioning adult. That is a situation that can only be achieved by poor decision making and a lack of personal responsibility. Any strategy that is employed to remedy this has to contend with the fact that the individuals who need to have this situation remedied for themselves…

What about people whose life situations constantly rip money out of them and their pay is just fundamentally insufficient to cover their expenses?

You're right. Some poor people have bad spending habits, and some have unfortunate life situations, and some have both.

Re: 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense

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The BLS calculator ( https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm ) says $400 in 2013 is ~ $430 today. Seems unlikely to account for that much of the change.

Govt inflation numbers represent a portfolio consisting of all commodities in equal quantity. But if you hold a portfolio of iPhones, Toyotas, and etc (assuming they are non depreciating assets) that number would double very easily.

Government inflation numbers don't work like that at all. They are based on the Consumer Price Index, which uses a market basket of consumer goods and services.

https://www.bls.gov/cpi/

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