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Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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He is more common than you think.

I live in the Bible Belt, so not very common here. Reminds me of "liberal" SF/Bay Area. Everyone talks the talk, but no one walks the walk. It's quite sad really.

If you live near any urban area in the Bible Belt, it is more common than you think. Granted, if you're in a small town or rural area, you're absolutely right.

Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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"Jesus was a homeless Jew who said it was harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than for a camel to get through the eye of a needle" Ok, I agree, but that seem to be unusual take for American nominations. At least my impression was that they did not tend to preach help to poor, rather the opposite. Did I had wrong impression or is this take really the minority one?

I think you have the wrong impression. Studies repeatedly find that religious Americans give significantly more to charity than non religious Americans, e.g. https://www.philanthropy.com/article/Religious-Americans-Giv...

Sorry, if you remove donations to their own churches, the unchurched do better.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/11/28/are-...

Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

#93

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I think you have the wrong impression. Studies repeatedly find that religious Americans give significantly more to charity than non religious Americans, e.g. https://www.philanthropy.com/article/Religious-Americans-Giv...

Sorry, if you remove donations to their own churches, the unchurched do better. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/11/28/are-...

> Sorry, if you remove donations to their own churches, the unchurched do better.

That result is both unsurprising and meaningless.

Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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I think you have the wrong impression. Studies repeatedly find that religious Americans give significantly more to charity than non religious Americans, e.g. https://www.philanthropy.com/article/Religious-Americans-Giv...

Sorry, if you remove donations to their own churches, the unchurched do better. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/11/28/are-...

Some portion of that money goes to things like missions and charitable work within the community though I haven't seen good figures on how much.

Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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These labels are all fuzzy, so self identification is the only reliable way of applying labels in any sense. For example, if the Chinese communist party says they are communist, why would you want to argue with them?

If you claimed your comment was in French instead of English, even though I can clearly see it's in English, why wouldn't I disagree?

False equivalence. Language isn't a subjective language, ideology most definitely is.

Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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> I personally give the respect to people to refer them as they would like to be identified Huh? Why? Seriously, I don't understand that kind of thinking. I don't think individuals necessarily deserve that kind of power others. Sometimes we should adjust to save other peoples feelings. But having that as the default seems crazy. What if they are full of shit? Or misuse that power? Or I simply disagree with them.. sho…

These labels are all fuzzy, so self identification is the only reliable way of applying labels in any sense. For example, if the Chinese communist party says they are communist, why would you want to argue with them?

> These labels are all fuzzy,

True

> so self identification is the only reliable way of applying labels in any sense

No, it's not. Self-identification is one of many ways of operationalizing a categorization, and it's useful for some purposes but not others. You can also operationalize by sets of concrete policies, which is useful for different purposes. And there are other options.

The relevant basis of categorization depends on the purpose of categorization.

Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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People complaining about how other people should be spending their money. Huh.

Less about how someone spends their money and more about their ideals. These people are fake and only value wealth. Their values are weak and mold to where the money is. The same people would be racists or bigots a 100-150+ years ago because they would be wealthier with those values. It's socially damaging to be those things today and actually impedes wealth so of course they believe they are "socially liberal". Incl…

The entire Christianity and Catholic church has been the biggest examples of bigotry, racial, hatred and unimaginable violence. A Pastor should not engage in this type of virtue signalling.

When you create wealth you are already helping poor people and blue collar workers. Who do you think mows Mark Zuck's lawn ?

Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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"I couldn't agree with you more. I moved to the Bay Area a few years ago from Vancouver which certainly has its share of extremely wealthy residents and expensive housing problems. I was blown away by the level of social inequality in SF exactly as you describe. In Vancouver, you at least see the rich people partying near you. Perhaps at the next restaurant over on the beach which is much nicer than the one you're at…

> the transient nature of the population in San Francisco If transience is defined as the fraction of the population who moved in or out in 2015, San Francisco is a relatively non-transient city [1]. The five most transient cities in America by this metric are Provo, Ann Arbor, Gainesville, Boulder and Tempe. Transience does not appear, at first glance, to positively correlate with inequality. [1] https://smartasset.…

Provo (BYU), Anne Arbor (University of Michigan), Gainesville (University of Florida), Boulder (University of Colorado), and Tempe (Arizona State University) are each homes to mega-college campuses and student populations. Whole 'nother story.

Re: Silicon Valley pastor decries hypocrisy of area's rich liberals

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Less about how someone spends their money and more about their ideals. These people are fake and only value wealth. Their values are weak and mold to where the money is. The same people would be racists or bigots a 100-150+ years ago because they would be wealthier with those values. It's socially damaging to be those things today and actually impedes wealth so of course they believe they are "socially liberal". Incl…

The entire Christianity and Catholic church has been the biggest examples of bigotry, racial, hatred and unimaginable violence. A Pastor should not engage in this type of virtue signalling. When you create wealth you are already helping poor people and blue collar workers. Who do you think mows Mark Zuck's lawn ?

"The entire Christianity and Catholic church has been the biggest examples of bigotry, racial, hatred and unimaginable violence."

True but why? Most of this was rooted in power and wealth. The Catholic Church is one of the most wealthy empires ever to have existed. Why do you think they became bigots, and racially radicalized? They wanted power, exclusiveness, and wealth. Legitimizing servitude and slavery through religion made them incredibly powerful.

"A Pastor should not engage in this type of virtue signalling.""

Like everything else religion is evolving, this Church is LGBT friendly. As someone who has a gay family member who attends an LGBT church these things do exist.

"When you create wealth you are already helping poor people and blue collar workers. Who do you think mows Mark Zuck's lawn ?"

That's fine, as long as you pay them enough to live near where they work in a house that isn't a shanty or ghetto. We don't need modern age indentured servants in the United States.

I'm assuming you identify with the Republican party? My only interest is if you identified as being "Liberal" because you definitely aren't.

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