Amazon Pushes Facial Recognition to Police, Critics See Surveillance Risk

Post by cryoshon » Tue, May 22, 2018, 5:29 PM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #66

cryoshon wrote: post #56

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>my default belief is that these technologies are over hyped and cannot provide the scale of performance or detail of prediction that could make them effective as oppressive surveillance tools, at least not for a long time. you've never heard of the chinese police state's facial surveillance which they're using to throw countless uighurs in jail for stuff like jaywalking, i suppose? >as a concerned citizen who sees t…

But I do see danger. Both in the misapplication of this unproven tech, and in the opportunity cost of wasting public funds on it.

Post by fixermark » Tue, May 22, 2018, 5:30 PM UTC

eatbitseveryday wrote: post #16

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #10

I find this article a bit funny, and see it mostly as hype. I worked very revently on a large internal face detection service for a legal and compliance application at a large US company. Being pragmatic engineers, the first thing we did was to pilot test Rekognition against an in-house prototype built by modifying some open source deep learning approaches. Rekognition performed so poorly compared to our prototype (w…

> Rekognition performed so poorly compared to our prototype (which was not state of the art or anything, just good enough for our company’s bespoke conpliance problem). It was just so bad. Overall intersection-over-union scores on our training & acceptance data was really poor, and perhaps worse, the latency of the requests to Rekognition was abysmal and completely unusable for us, especially for images that had a la…

Post by angersock » Tue, May 22, 2018, 5:31 PM UTC

fixermark wrote: post #78

Madmallard wrote: post #46

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"Who's watching the government?" "Voters" is generally considered the correct answer in democracies and republics, I believe.

Post by fixermark » Tue, May 22, 2018, 5:32 PM UTC

TuringNYC wrote: post #68

eatbitseveryday wrote: post #16

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> Rekognition performed so poorly compared to our prototype (which was not state of the art or anything, just good enough for our company’s bespoke conpliance problem). It was just so bad. Overall intersection-over-union scores on our training & acceptance data was really poor, and perhaps worse, the latency of the requests to Rekognition was abysmal and completely unusable for us, especially for images that had a la…

Unfortunately the "cost" of poor performance is sometimes pushed to the public, or worse, subsets of the public. Consider the million-name-long restricted fly list of the last decade -- they were nice juicy profitable projects for corporations but the cost was borne by a subset of mostly innocent people sometimes lost all ability to fly. If the costs are compartmentalized enough, sometimes the general public doesnt c…

Post by GabeIsman » Tue, May 22, 2018, 5:33 PM UTC

mattferderer wrote: post #59

People will be outraged until everyone starts doing it. How long until we see tons of marketplaces to sell your home & business surveillance videos? Maybe security companies will start offering free versions of things like Nest as long as you let them sell the video in their marketplace. It's the 21st Century way after all.