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Re: Sci Hub repository torrents of scientific papers

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Post by otherme1 »

namirez wrote: post #77
ComodoHacker wrote: post #70

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Let me ask you a provocative question. When you build credibility in your field, will you be reviewing papers for free for open access journals?

Paid journals had a point 20 years ago, but not anymore. Most studies are funded by the tax-payers or collaboration with the industries. The authors are not paid. The reviewers are not paid either. Finally the publisher comes along and claims royalty. It doesn't make sense.

Just a reminder that authors have to pay around $800-1000 to publish an article. Then readers have to pay to read the article.

And you have to submit your work edited and almost ready to print, it's not like they are doing heavy work there either. I remember one time I submitted an image as SVG but they wanted EPS and asked me to do the conversion. Yes, that oneliner with "convert" was enough.

Re: Sci Hub repository torrents of scientific papers

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Post by jMyles »

sabercow wrote: post #114
jMyles wrote: post #86

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By posting this link, are you trying to indicate a belief that I am exhibiting this fallacy? Can you explain how? GP asked, "Why are people breaking copyright law?" I thought I gave a reasonably solid explanation - some of the people in question aren't breaking copyright law while others (certainly a good number of people here on HN) don't regard copyright law as a legitimate imposition of state power in the informat…

Because you could trivially modify the statement to be "for the people who live in a jurisdiction where copyright law applies, why do they X" and it would be clearly the spirit of the question (and even that is imprecise). The net effect of your means of conversation isn't a more cogent conversation. Instead, by causing everyone to over-specify their statements you force conversation with you to be only for the thing…

> Because you could trivially modify the statement to be "for the people who live in a jurisdiction where copyright law applies, why do they X" and it would be clearly the spirit of the question (and even that is imprecise).

...but I responded to that too, and that's the most important part of my comment. Most people in the USA clearly don't recognize copyright law as legitimate. It is flouted everywhere by everyone.

GP seemed to assume that refraining from breaking copyright was important to most people; it isn't.

Re: Sci Hub repository torrents of scientific papers

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Post by ksk »

Vinnl wrote: post #155
ksk wrote: post #97

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Are you aware that researchers voluntarily approach publishers? And if you are, what is your rationale in blaming the publisher? >Here's a couple: a) Gatekeeping publishers keep research from being available to less-elite schools that can't afford the subscriptions, creating a rich-get-richer dynamic in science. Leveling the playing field will lead to more-better output. >b) High subscription fees increase university…

I wouldn't state "voluntary" too strongly: https://medium.com/flockademic/the-ridiculous-number-that-ca... Sure, I can offer you the choice between death or a slap in the face, but if you'd choose the slap in the face, I wouldn't say you voluntarily asked for the slap in the face...

That dichotomy would only make sense if there were no means to self-publish or choosing a non-paywalled journal.

Re: Sci Hub repository torrents of scientific papers

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Post by jMyles »

ksk wrote: post #95
jMyles wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By posting this link, are you trying to indicate a belief that I am exhibiting this fallacy? Can you explain how? GP asked, "Why are people breaking copyright law?" I thought I gave a reasonably solid explanation - some of the people in question aren't breaking copyright law while others (certainly a good number of people here on HN) don't regard copyright law as a legitimate imposition of state power in the informat…

You are applying propositional logic rigor to a comment made in a casual setting that you fail to apply to your own position. Let me show you how.. >Not everyone lives in a jurisdiction where copyright law exists. How many? How did you gather this data? > Among those who do, not everyone lives in a jurisdiction where this action is a violation of that law. How did you survey the jurisdictions of people accessing this…

> Who has communicated to you that they don't recognize copyright law as legitimate or binding? Why is the number statistically relevant?

To my personally? Only maybe a few dozen.

But obviously these laws are ignored everywhere and by everyone in the USA. Surely you don't mean to suggest that it's a law that enjoys widespread perception of legitimacy?

What makes you think people have any interest in following this law in the first place? It seems like you haven't really given this foundation, which is crucial for your original comment.

Re: Sci Hub repository torrents of scientific papers

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Post by sidhu1f »

jacquesm wrote: post #158
votingprawn wrote: post #142

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I was a researcher at a reasonably big UK University until about 6 months ago, and I used SciHub fairly regularly. Sometimes I used it because we didn't have the right subscription for that publisher to get me the journal I needed, but mainly I used SciHub to access papers I already had the "right" to access. The layers of logins screens, buggy single-sign-on systems, having to be in the right IP address range, not b…

Piracy has one USP that the competition lacks that is very hard for them to replicate: convenience.

Is BitTorrent more convenient than Netflix?

Re: Sci Hub repository torrents of scientific papers

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Post by ksk »

bborud wrote: post #165
ksk wrote: post #97

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Are you aware that researchers voluntarily approach publishers? And if you are, what is your rationale in blaming the publisher? >Here's a couple: a) Gatekeeping publishers keep research from being available to less-elite schools that can't afford the subscriptions, creating a rich-get-richer dynamic in science. Leveling the playing field will lead to more-better output. >b) High subscription fees increase university…

No, they do not voluntarily approach publishers. It is a faustian bargain in which society ultimately pays the price. I suspect that you either do not understand how academic reputation is built or you think it is somehow beneficial for society to ensure a system that makes scientific knowledge unavailable to anyone byt the elite.

>No, they do not voluntarily approach publishers.

What are you basing this on?

>I suspect that you either do not understand how academic reputation is built or you think it is somehow beneficial for society to ensure a system that makes scientific knowledge unavailable to anyone byt the elite.

Or neither. Its easy to think black/white, but thankfully the world is not so boring. I don't believe that any of the rationalizations that people have stated for breaking copyright law in this case. No, I don't agree that this is like slavery or student oppression or the driver of income inequality or the other myriad arguments people trot out.

Re: Sci Hub repository torrents of scientific papers

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Post by mdaniel »

nneonneo wrote: post #169
Faaak wrote: post #144

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I can't manage to load this magnet link in transmission: Error adding "magnet:?xt=urn%3Abtih%3A97fc8218775e3a1e5b90607435c0581f839e0f1d&dn=repository_torrent&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.open-internet.nl%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.skyts.net%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.piratepublic.com%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%…

Sorry, just tried this and apparently Transmission isn't a fan of the encoded colons (despite that being very valid URL syntax). Try this one instead: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:97fc8218775e3a1e5b90607435c0581f839e0f1d&dn=repository_torrent&tr=udp:%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk:6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp:%2F%2Ftracker.open-internet.nl:6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp:%2F%2Ftracker.skyts.net:6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp:%2F%2Ftracker.piratepubli…

I'll try to remember to do it when I get home, but if you beat me to it can you please check and see if that's a known issue with Transmission? Because that seems easy to fix, and in my mind it's bad news to need "vendor specific" magnet links
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