Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 21, 2018, 12:37 AM UTC

beepbeepbeep1 wrote: post #315

cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

I am a long time 1Password user, purchased Mac licenses, IOS and Android over the years. I was annoyed when it changed to being subscription based, the price wasn't an issue I think for the value it gives the price is fair, 1Password is the only thing now keeping me on a Mac. The issue i had with it is you don't own the software and when my credit card expired and i forgot to update it losing access to passwords even…

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by fapjacks » Mon, May 21, 2018, 12:39 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #318

dingaling wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well this one tool is 'only' $60 per year[0]. But what if your compiler moved to subscription, and your text editor and your e-mail client and ... It's the thousand-cuts problem. And once you start on that path you can't go back, or else the tool stops working. [0] which is a substantial chunk of a day's after-tax pay for many people in the UK, for example. 1/400th of their salary for a password database.

> And once you start on that path you can't go back, or else the tool stops working. How would you feel about a subscription service that guaranteed updates? Essentially, upgrade pricing, but charged every month.

Will my compiler or IDE stop working if I don't pay the subscription fee? You can guess how I'd feel about that.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by manicdee » Mon, May 21, 2018, 12:41 AM UTC

roustem wrote: post #246

0culus wrote: post #82

Although it's been said that they will continue supporting licenses through their website, they have made this feature _extremely_ difficult to find ever since introducing subscriptions. I've been a loyal user of 1Password for a long time, and I think it's great software. I use it on both my Macs, as well as on my iOS devices. However, hiding the non-subscription feature is silly. I do not wish to add yet another sub…

Most of the HN users reading this thread do understand the difference between licenses and subscriptions. It may seem strange but this is not the case for the vast majority of the users. We have customers emailing us about having a 1Password account/subscription since before 2015 (when we only had licenses). We originally started with offering both licenses and subscription as equal options. Here is how it looked: ht…

The standalone macOS app isn’t going to be much value to me if the iOS app requires a subscription though.

1Password accounts seem like a very attractive target for something like Stuxnet. I just can’t bring myself to put my trust in a corporation, given the history of pivots & acquisitions and subsequent licence changes & data repurposing.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by manicdee » Mon, May 21, 2018, 12:43 AM UTC

shinratdr wrote: post #99

0culus wrote: post #82

Although it's been said that they will continue supporting licenses through their website, they have made this feature _extremely_ difficult to find ever since introducing subscriptions. I've been a loyal user of 1Password for a long time, and I think it's great software. I use it on both my Macs, as well as on my iOS devices. However, hiding the non-subscription feature is silly. I do not wish to add yet another sub…

I agree they are burying the hell out of it, but as it stands licenses for 1Password 7 (which is still in beta on Mac & Windows) can only be purchased from within the client, as they want to test the order flow which was rebuilt in this version. The Windows version of 1Password 7 still can’t be licensed, they haven’t built that part yet. The Mac version however can be purchased, and if you plan on sticking with it I…

Does this version support WiFi Sync with 1Password on iOS?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by maxgee » Mon, May 21, 2018, 12:47 AM UTC

bdcravens wrote: post #55

acdha wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they force you into the subscription model?

This. You can still use it with local vaults or sync with something like Dropbox.

Not on windows.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by dvcrn » Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:00 AM UTC

I love 1Password and immediately bought a standalone 1P7 license when they started with the beta.

I agree with some others that they bury the hell out of the standalone one and want people to go for the subscription, but as long as I still have my standalone one, I am a happy customer. 7 looks and feels great, and for a software that I used for years and years since I first bought my license, this upgrade felt justified.

I in no way felt I had to upgrade though and could have just sticked with 6.

My only worry is that with 8, it might become subscription only for good... (Please don't!!)

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by fapjacks » Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:00 AM UTC

mitchty wrote: post #124

mitchty wrote: post #63

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I saw all that but it looks like you've got to pay a monthly fee for full access for their cloud storage. Not sure its worth the hassle of migrating to in this case.

Asked my buddy what he was using and he pointed me to this: https://www.enpass.io Seems to fit the bill a bit better. And might mean $12/year less though thats not a huge problem.

Maybe, but Bitwarden is open source, and Enpass is not. It's not important for people unless it is important for them, and in that case it's usually very important.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by ketralnis » Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:04 AM UTC

roustem wrote: post #246

0culus wrote: post #82

Although it's been said that they will continue supporting licenses through their website, they have made this feature _extremely_ difficult to find ever since introducing subscriptions. I've been a loyal user of 1Password for a long time, and I think it's great software. I use it on both my Macs, as well as on my iOS devices. However, hiding the non-subscription feature is silly. I do not wish to add yet another sub…

Most of the HN users reading this thread do understand the difference between licenses and subscriptions. It may seem strange but this is not the case for the vast majority of the users. We have customers emailing us about having a 1Password account/subscription since before 2015 (when we only had licenses). We originally started with offering both licenses and subscription as equal options. Here is how it looked: ht…

What is the future of dropbox sync between desktop and iOS? Am I right in assuming that since you keep only mentioning iCloud that it won't be possible? I can just decline to upgrade the desktop client, but I can't just choose to ignore updates to the iOS client.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by fapjacks » Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:07 AM UTC

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #92

nsarafa wrote: post #11

I lost faith in 1Password when they forced me into the subscription model despite paying full price for the product years ago

I don’t really get this perspective. You can continue using the version of 1Password that you bought without issue. The expectation that your purchase years ago should entitle you to updates forever is pretty ridiculous.

Surely you're not implying that it's a ridiculous expectation when that's what the company advertised, are you?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by akerl_ » Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:11 AM UTC

Groxx wrote: post #320

akerl_ wrote: post #42

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It's worth noting (and not super obvious because of their marketing) that "getting a subscription" and "using their cloud sync" are not a mutual requirement. You can pay via subscription and continue using local/Dropbox/etc vaults. This part was super confusing to me until I dug deeper when a friend upgraded. So the primary impact of switching from standalone license to subscription, if you're planning on using 1Pass…

So I asked on Twitter, got an answer: https://twitter.com/1Password/status/998337650380738560 Assuming that's correct (since the blog post still strikes me as vague), the answer is clear in their reply: memberships are exclusively cloud, standalone licenses are exclusively local backups / sync.

I’m currently using the 1Password 7 beta with a subscription and no standalone license. I have one vault that is stored in Dropbox and another that is just local.

I have no idea why they’ve decided to handle what they’ve called out elsewhere in this thread as an “advanced feature” that won’t be going away by lying about the feature not existing.

It seems so weird because their subscriptions work exactly how I’d want them to work, but all their public statements actively prevent people like me from knowing that.