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Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by woolvalley »

Groxx wrote: post #259
kalleboo wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The developer's comments on the article contradict what you're saying: > 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone vault synced via iCloud if you purchase a standalone license, or use our hosted service if you purchase a 1Password membership. > As it s…

It's super frustrating how vague and contradictory they're being about this :\ I understand why they're subscription-only for the mac app store, as a way around its insane lack of pricing flexibility. Makes sense, fully support, etc. But they seem to be continually pushing the non-cloud options further and further away from visibility :|

I get the impression that anything that is not on the agilebits cloud is legacy and they will eventually stop supporting the other options bit by bit, despite what they say on HN forums.

I understand the attraction, from a software development standpoint it's much easier to make everything work well when you control the server and client software together.

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Post by [deleted] »

DavideNL wrote: post #211
cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

You are making the same mistake with these arguments as many people make; nobody is complaining about paying for software. People are complaining about subscriptions , because for example you easily loose track of what exactly it is your paying for. Paying for an upgrade clearly shows you that you're paying some amount for some list of new features. You can then choose whether or not it's worth paying for. (just to n…

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Post by roustem »

bdcravens wrote: post #225
pvg wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment was a response to '1Password is making it so you can never buy a standalone version again'. This isn't true. It is true that they try to steer people into a subscription. But if they wanted to kill the standalone version, they would have. You can download the 1Password 7 beta right now and pay for it once.

I think you'd agree however that having this option nowhere to be found on the "Pricing" page would result in most concluding the option didn't exist.

We tried that and it did not work out: https://web.archive.org/web/20160420141241/https://1password...

People were confused. A lot of them purchased both. Most of the population is different from technically savvy HN users.

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Post by SpaethCo »

rmorey wrote: post #115

Why are people so vehemently opposed to the 1PW cloud sync service? For unenrypted data, I completely understand this. And in general, it's great to have the option to sync using whatever service you want. But the data that 1PW stores is encrypted up the wazoo and AB couldn't extract your passwords from it even if they wanted to. In their security document they even outline how useless it would be for a bad actor to…

The key issue I have with the cloud service right now is it breaks the automated backup process I get with iCloud sync and their Mac client. My biggest concern isn't bad actor data theft or online service outages, it's silent corruption of data that takes weeks / months to surface.

With iCloud sync of a local vault, the client will automatically store backup copies of the database on the local filesystem. I can sync that file to local ZFS NAS storage and to offsite storage to maintain months/years of archives as desired.

Until there is an automated export/backup option with the Agilebits sync serivce, it's off the table for me.

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Post by facetube »

CountSessine wrote: post #241
chrischen wrote: post #233

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If you are paying for a subscription there isn’t necessarily an incentive to provide security updates even more, since they have the functionality of your app hostage if you decide to cancel and the automatic monthly billing has no ties to the quantity or wuality of updates they push out. That being said, security updates shouldbe part of the price you already paid, since a security flaw is a flaw in their original s…

That being said, security updates shouldbe part of the price you already paid, since a security flaw is a flaw in their original software. Security vulnerabilities generally aren’t considers latent defects under warranty laws (at least not in NA). I’m not sure what the tech world would look like if it were - for one thing, software teams would probably need a P.Eng. on their teams to ship. For another, using open sou…

> Maybe they should.

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Post by roustem »

Bud wrote: post #176
pvg wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment was a response to '1Password is making it so you can never buy a standalone version again'. This isn't true. It is true that they try to steer people into a subscription. But if they wanted to kill the standalone version, they would have. You can download the 1Password 7 beta right now and pay for it once.

There is no reason to believe that. I paid for 1Password as a standalone app THREE TIMES, only to discover later that my versions are all being orphaned, will not be updated, and will not receive key features.

You probably purchased 1Password on different platforms? I do not think there was a single platform were 1Password had more than 2 paid upgrades.

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Post by ben_w »

pvg wrote: post #213
ben_w wrote: post #208

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It is multi device though. Sure it’s Apple only, but it’s all my Apple devices, macOS and iOS (I don’t have a watch or a TV), not just wherever the password was created.

It's not. Keychain is not synced across devices. iCloud keychain, a separate service, can sync parts of keychain. iCloud keychain is a perfectly reasonable (and as a UI, probably better than anything else) password manager iff you use Safari as your main browser and all your other devices are Apple devices.

OK, that’s something I didn’t know, and I may be missing something from such a silly name overlap. However, I do have items in Keychain Access.app which are from iCloud. What gives?

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Post by dingaling »

cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

Well this one tool is 'only' $60 per year[0]. But what if your compiler moved to subscription, and your text editor and your e-mail client and ...

It's the thousand-cuts problem. And once you start on that path you can't go back, or else the tool stops working.

[0] which is a substantial chunk of a day's after-tax pay for many people in the UK, for example. 1/400th of their salary for a password database.

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Post by roustem »

gergles wrote: post #171
robteix wrote: post #84

I have a family subscription of 1PW. I can easily share some password with my wife and our daughter is getting used to using a password manager before she's 10. I totally empathize with those who refuse to use cloud/subscription services as, let's face it, there are a lot of bad actors doing crappy things with our data. But for me 1Password seems like a small, honest company providing great quality service and softwa…

> But for me 1Password seems like a small, honest company providing great quality service and software. Yes, I imagine because they have carefully crafted that image through blog posts and impression management. They have over 70 employees to write a password manager. 70!

We are actually more than 100 people now. A big part of our team is dedicated to customer support. After all there are over 15 mln 1Password users and we get several thousand emails per day. There are over 30,000 businesses using 1Password.

We have designer and development teams for Mac/iOS (Objective-C, Swift), Windows (C#, .NET), Android (Java, Kotlin), browser extensions (JavaScript), 1Password server (Go), 1Password web client (TypeScript, ReactJS), command-line client (Go), SCIM/LDAP integration (Go, Docker, Kubernetes), and a ton of other smaller projects.

There is a Security Team that does security reviews, works with BugCrowd researchers, and does SOC 2 compliance. DevOps team works with AWS and Google Cloud.

We want to do more. We are hiring :)

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by pvg »

ben_w wrote: post #287
pvg wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. Keychain is not synced across devices. iCloud keychain, a separate service, can sync parts of keychain. iCloud keychain is a perfectly reasonable (and as a UI, probably better than anything else) password manager iff you use Safari as your main browser and all your other devices are Apple devices.

OK, that’s something I didn’t know, and I may be missing something from such a silly name overlap. However, I do have items in Keychain Access.app which are from iCloud. What gives?

Keychain Access lets you view your local keychain (i.e. your device's secure trust store). If you have iCloud keychain turned on then certain parts of your keychain will be synced across devices so you'll be able to find, say, a web password you generated on your phone on in your Mac's keychain (via Keychain Access and otherwise). The terminology is a bit confusing, that much is true.

If you can live within the constraints of iCloud keychain (the Safari/Apple devices thing, don't need stuff like 'team sharing, etc) it's arguably a better solution than 1Password.

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