Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by curun1r » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:06 PM UTC

shinratdr wrote: post #108

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #78

So remember when 1Password claimed it was superior to LastPass for only requiring you to pay a one-time fee and not storing all of your stuff in the cloud? Good times.

To be fair, it still does all that stuff. I get that these moves make people nervous, and rightfully so. But as it stands every version of 1Password in active development (not including maintenance mode): * Can be licensed standalone. * Supports local & Dropbox vaults. * Was released within the last year, actively supporting those features. The only feature they’ve actually killed off (by not baking into future clien…

> every version of 1Password in active development...Can be licensed standalone

This is incorrect. The command line client is subscription-only.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by jhall1468 » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:07 PM UTC

Casseres wrote: post #90

dingo_bat wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want perpetual free updates? I think your expectations might be a tad unrealistic.

It should be built into the initial price. And perpetual is unrealistic, but 10 years is not. Microsoft provides 5 years of Mainstream Support and 5 years of Extended Support at no additional cost (cost is built into the initial license fee). Heck, I would more trust software that says 10 years of garunteed support rather than lifetime support. Too many companies fudge the meaning of "lifetime", and 10 years blows Go…

I'm sure there's a ton of people lining up to pay $400 for a password manager.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by mychael » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:08 PM UTC

alexnewman wrote: post #122

I still have no idea why people don't use pass. I put my trust in gpg and git

link?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by mderazon » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:09 PM UTC

I never liked 1pass. I don't like the fact that you have to install a desktop app to use the browser extension. Also the UI is a bit annoying and sometimes it feels like it just gets in my way. The UX for multiple vaults is not so obvious at times and you don't realize you are only searching one vault instead of everything. Copying and sharing between vaults is also annoying.

I really don't see what 1pass does better than LastPass. LP has a bad security reputation but other than that it's much more enjoyable to use

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by kbar13 » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:11 PM UTC

mderazon wrote: post #154

I never liked 1pass. I don't like the fact that you have to install a desktop app to use the browser extension. Also the UI is a bit annoying and sometimes it feels like it just gets in my way. The UX for multiple vaults is not so obvious at times and you don't realize you are only searching one vault instead of everything. Copying and sharing between vaults is also annoying. I really don't see what 1pass does better…

security software

> I really don't see what 1pass does better than LastPass

> LP has a bad security reputation

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by jffry » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:14 PM UTC

0culus wrote: post #121

shinratdr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree they are burying the hell out of it, but as it stands licenses for 1Password 7 (which is still in beta on Mac & Windows) can only be purchased from within the client, as they want to test the order flow which was rebuilt in this version. The Windows version of 1Password 7 still can’t be licensed, they haven’t built that part yet. The Mac version however can be purchased, and if you plan on sticking with it I…

Where is it on their website? I haven't been able to find it at all.

I just went through this - there's a tiny "downloads" link at the bottom of their page that takes you to https://1password.com/downloads/

I just went through this. Install v7, open it, unlock your vault, and it'll prompt you to try a subscription, with a tiny option below to just buy a license.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by pvg » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:14 PM UTC

tajen wrote: post #100

pvg wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Safari-only on macOS, as far as I know. It does work with iOS apps and it doesn't work on Windows. It can't replace a password manager unless you use Safari on macOS as your primary browser.

Ah, I see why it’s useful for me: I use Chrome and Chrome stores passwords per profile. And I have several profiles that must not be shared (private, work-dev, work-sysadmin...), and an OS-wide password manager would be super-prone to mistakes. I also use Firefox for non-Google-approved work (ex: MRA and James Damore), and, same, profiles work super-well.

I'm not sure, in that case, you're using Keychain at all.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by GordonS » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:17 PM UTC

Casseres wrote: post #90

dingo_bat wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want perpetual free updates? I think your expectations might be a tad unrealistic.

It should be built into the initial price. And perpetual is unrealistic, but 10 years is not. Microsoft provides 5 years of Mainstream Support and 5 years of Extended Support at no additional cost (cost is built into the initial license fee). Heck, I would more trust software that says 10 years of garunteed support rather than lifetime support. Too many companies fudge the meaning of "lifetime", and 10 years blows Go…

> It should be built into the initial price

Then it's going to be very expensive.

I made the mistake, years ago, of selling perpetually licensed desktop software with free updates - the economics really don't work, and it's a mistake I haven't made since.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by mderazon » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:17 PM UTC

kbar13 wrote: post #155

mderazon wrote: post #154

I never liked 1pass. I don't like the fact that you have to install a desktop app to use the browser extension. Also the UI is a bit annoying and sometimes it feels like it just gets in my way. The UX for multiple vaults is not so obvious at times and you don't realize you are only searching one vault instead of everything. Copying and sharing between vaults is also annoying. I really don't see what 1pass does better…

security software > I really don't see what 1pass does better than LastPass > LP has a bad security reputation

Is there any reason to believe LP is currently less secure than 1pass? If anything, I assume LP has been more thoroughly audited by now

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by pier25 » Sun, May 20, 2018, 5:17 PM UTC

shinratdr wrote: post #108

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #78

So remember when 1Password claimed it was superior to LastPass for only requiring you to pay a one-time fee and not storing all of your stuff in the cloud? Good times.

To be fair, it still does all that stuff. I get that these moves make people nervous, and rightfully so. But as it stands every version of 1Password in active development (not including maintenance mode): * Can be licensed standalone. * Supports local & Dropbox vaults. * Was released within the last year, actively supporting those features. The only feature they’ve actually killed off (by not baking into future clien…

> eventually they do right by their customers

Not in my experience.

I moved to LastPass the moment Agile Bits decided to not support its (non subscription) 1Password paying customers in having a web access to the vault.

I had bought all 1Password versions + updates (Windows, Android, Mac, iOS) which put me well above $100. One day I simply couldn't use 1Password online, which I relied on for Chrome OS use. Dropbox decided, rightfully, that the public folder shouldn't be used as a static web server, which is what 1Password used as online vaults.

There was a long discussion in Agile Bits' forums about this issue. Agile Bits argued that it wasn't its responsibility to solve this since it was a Dropbox decision and its users could still store and sync the online vault manually on their own servers. I argued that losing automatic sync rendered the feature pretty much useless.

In any case, Agile Bits could have transitioned its users to the subscription model by either giving them subscription time or by offering an alternative to the Dropbox public folder, but it decided that its customers were not worth the effort.

I had a lot of respect for Agile Bits and 1Password, but this was a crappy way to treat its customers, specially considering 1Password was not a cheap product.

LastPass is not as elegant, but I'm happy with it.