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In fact, I have a modest proposal to share with you on that front. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
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Group of scientists suggest that octopuses might actually be aliens
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#42I'm not saying this idea is wrong, but it comes with a large grain of salt. Like everything else in the world, 90% of science is crap. If there is no proposed falsifiability criterion, there is no science here.
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#43A few questions that pop into my head: Why did land insects never rise to match the intelligence of the octopus? If octopuses are so smart, why aren't they more social? Why is it that the most social of animals, ants (which are considered eusocial actually), are not pressed with becoming smarter? Why does sex cause octopuses to self-destruct? Also, when it comes to weird theories, I have always thought that if we are…
> If octopuses are so smart, why aren't they more social? Because they are so smart.
”For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.”
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#44Here is what I would like to understand: If there is any truth to the theory that Octopuses indeed evolved in outer space and were delivered to our planet via a cosmic payload, how is it that they happened to have the same kind of protein-based, DNA-based genetics like we have? Isn't it too much of a stretch to imagine that an alien evolved under similar conditions with similar genetic foundation like life evolved in…
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"The theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the major taxa of life really paints us into a corner from which it is difficult to wiggle out." Sure, it's easy to avoid corners when you can place them arbitrarily, or even move them when they're inconvenient.
> place them arbitrarily, or even move them when they're inconvenient. I know others have been accused of that; I endeavor to maintain integrity.
This is ridiculous, and I'd also point out, despite my being atheist, that it's blasphemous.
Monotheistic religions (almost all) believe in an omnipotent God. Omnipotent means that nothing binds the hand of God, at all. An omnipotent being can literally contrive any situation; they can change anything, from moment to moment, without leaving any traces whatsoever. They can change the very nature of logic itself without consequence.
You are saying that you try to understand and talk about and reason about God inside of some kind of logical framework, where you can't just _deus ex machina_ your way out of any situation, but this explicitly binds the power of God. God and logic can't be combined, God and debate can't be combined, because both deny the omnipotent nature of God.
Re: Group of scientists suggest that octopuses might actually be aliens
#46Complete sidebar: octopuses/squid are on my short list of "things in American diet I don't eat because they are too smart" (pigs being the other).
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#47Just my own perspective: as one who believes God is responsible for the origin, complexity, and diversity of life, this article makes me chuckle. The theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the major taxa of life really paints us into a corner from which it is difficult to wiggle out. In my opinion, the panspermia/alien origin hypothesis (and its persistence as an explanation in some respected circles)…
> The theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the major taxa of life really paints us into a corner from which it is difficult to wiggle out. I'm really not sure what you mean by this. > Also, the insistence on a distinction between "alien" and "divine" has no rational basis What?? You don't see a distinction between life on another planet and supernatural phenomena...?
To be fair, Bruno declared a distinction and was burned at the stake.
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#48Just my own perspective: as one who believes God is responsible for the origin, complexity, and diversity of life, this article makes me chuckle. The theory of evolution as an explanation of the origin of the major taxa of life really paints us into a corner from which it is difficult to wiggle out. In my opinion, the panspermia/alien origin hypothesis (and its persistence as an explanation in some respected circles)…
A few billion years is like, a pretty long time.
For you.
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It is at least, according to Elsevier, peer reviewed. * https://www.elsevier.com/journals/progress-in-biophysics-and...
Elsevier getting desperate lol
The well-known Elsevier linguistics journal Lingua had an editor revolt (reconstituted as Glossa, not published by Elsevier), but Elsevier continues to publish a 'zombie' Lingua.
Re: Group of scientists suggest that octopuses might actually be aliens
#50I too am awaiting the return of the old ones.