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Devices Which Track Cellphones, Intercept Calls Found All Over DC, MD, VA

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Re: Devices Which Track Cellphones, Intercept Calls Found All Over DC, MD, VA

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It's all very Kim Stanley Robinsonesque in his climate-change trilogy where there are so many US Shadow agencies that they are constantly getting in each other's way.

Or just your typical Russian, Chinese spy operations...

Especially considering the POTUS uses a standard android phone.

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Control of 'manufacturing' was never going to happen. They would literally have to prohibit the sale of high-speed DACs and ADCs to civilians. If you think the War on Drugs was an expensive boondoggle, try keeping LTC2216s out of my hands. :-P However, it is the responsibility of the FCC to not throw up their hands and say "Duh, we don't know how to find 'em." They have one job -- regulating the use of the RF spectru…

Or have private-key encoding. That’s the case for HDMI: No-one can manufacture devices that aren’t approved. Of course the funny part is, it’s designed so pirates can only send HDMI output to approved screens (=not recording devices), but for backwards comparibility, they has to allow HDMI-to-SVGA adapter with decoding, so the breach is wide open. But you get the intent: HDMI was supposed to bea fully-encrypted stand…

> HDMI was supposed to bea fully-encrypted standard with only preapproved devices.

Interesting. Where can I read more about this intent, and how it was compromised?

Re: Devices Which Track Cellphones, Intercept Calls Found All Over DC, MD, VA

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The situation discussed in the article was with regard to Stingray-type devices placed at foreign embassies which are considered foreign soil. The FCC doesn't regulate embassies any more than it regulates Beijing or Moscow. The Stingrays found on K Street (far from Embassy Row) and some bridges were more likely US government operations. So the question comes back to are there non-embassy, non-US government Stingrays…

Embassies are not "foreign soil". The Russian Embassy in London, for example, is not a Russian place, it's a British place that just happens to have a Russian Embassy building on it. Russians there are not magically exempt from British law. However, in practice diplomacy is impossible without affording Ambassadors, their staff, the places where they live and work and so on, broad immunity to normal civil law enforcem…

> diplomacy is impossible without affording Ambassadors, their staff, the places where they live and work and so on, broad immunity to normal civil law enforcement.

Why is that?

Re: Devices Which Track Cellphones, Intercept Calls Found All Over DC, MD, VA

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Occam's razor says that these are all run by the various agencies of the United States government... Any foreign embassy running one, has no right to radiate beyond the border of the embassy, where it is US soil and not foreign.

>Occam's razor says that these are all run by the various agencies of the United States

Is there a more high value city for a foreign government to spy in? Seems foolish to assume occams razor here, at least for all of the devices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Embassies are not "foreign soil". The Russian Embassy in London, for example, is not a Russian place, it's a British place that just happens to have a Russian Embassy building on it. Russians there are not magically exempt from British law. However, in practice diplomacy is impossible without affording Ambassadors, their staff, the places where they live and work and so on, broad immunity to normal civil law enforcem…

> diplomacy is impossible without affording Ambassadors, their staff, the places where they live and work and so on, broad immunity to normal civil law enforcement. Why is that?

Because not every place is a shining example of liberal democracy like the United States.

Diplomacy requires representing your country, which sometimes requires advocating against the preferred policies of your negotiating partners. In some places, if you were subject to their laws, that would get you killed.

Re: Devices Which Track Cellphones, Intercept Calls Found All Over DC, MD, VA

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Control of 'manufacturing' was never going to happen. They would literally have to prohibit the sale of high-speed DACs and ADCs to civilians. If you think the War on Drugs was an expensive boondoggle, try keeping LTC2216s out of my hands. :-P However, it is the responsibility of the FCC to not throw up their hands and say "Duh, we don't know how to find 'em." They have one job -- regulating the use of the RF spectru…

Or have private-key encoding. That’s the case for HDMI: No-one can manufacture devices that aren’t approved. Of course the funny part is, it’s designed so pirates can only send HDMI output to approved screens (=not recording devices), but for backwards comparibility, they has to allow HDMI-to-SVGA adapter with decoding, so the breach is wide open. But you get the intent: HDMI was supposed to bea fully-encrypted stand…

The encryption is a legal issue, not a technical one. Of course it can be circumvented like all forms if drm.

The point is that by going around the drm, even if it’s by doing something trivial, you are committing a crime.

Re: Devices Which Track Cellphones, Intercept Calls Found All Over DC, MD, VA

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all very Kim Stanley Robinsonesque in his climate-change trilogy where there are so many US Shadow agencies that they are constantly getting in each other's way.

Or just your typical Russian, Chinese spy operations...

We'll pull ours back as soon as yours are gone from Moscow.

Re: Devices Which Track Cellphones, Intercept Calls Found All Over DC, MD, VA

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Related article, "Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t know how to find them" [0], and discussion [1] from 45d ago. [0]: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/dhs-to-senator-m... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16748971

Not knowing how to find them, is a load of crap. You can certainly find them, it just takes expensive equipment and time.

If it were me, the antenna would be a few hundred feet away from the equipment.

And the antenna wouldn’t be anything like an antenna, just something that looks like a lawn-chair.

And I’d move it every day or two. And definitely not run it 24h!!!

Could still be found, but good luck.

Re: Devices Which Track Cellphones, Intercept Calls Found All Over DC, MD, VA

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation discussed in the article was with regard to Stingray-type devices placed at foreign embassies which are considered foreign soil. The FCC doesn't regulate embassies any more than it regulates Beijing or Moscow. The Stingrays found on K Street (far from Embassy Row) and some bridges were more likely US government operations. So the question comes back to are there non-embassy, non-US government Stingrays…

The claim in the article seems dubious. Why would an embassy operate a stingray? More likely it's US government agencies spying on the embassies.

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