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Post by el_cid »

syrrim wrote: post #78
Mahn wrote: post #12

I'm intrigued, but I think it could use some sort of a demo or something to get an idea of what to expect. As it stands I don't know if I really want an invite, because other than the ideology, which is great, I don't know what is there. (I get that it's a Reddit derivative, but still, I like to play with things before committing to them).

I find it strange. They openly advertise it being open source, yet have no way as of yet to access the source code. Even if they don't want people playing with their instance yet, it would be nice if I could host an instance myself (or at least glance at the code). This is especially egregious as one would hope open source to mean not just availability of source, but an open development model (involving the community…

Imo one approach is not going to work for all communities. A project like this which wants to satisfy the entire spectrum on various criterias should cede control to its users. Let the communities decide on every parameter that affects them. Decentralization.

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Post by iaml »

SheepSlapper wrote: post #64
dragonwriter wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're in a time where people like to compartmentalize people/views/ideas in order to dismiss or demonize As opposed to exactly what time in the history of humanity where this was not the case?

Maybe I phrased that poorly, because you're right that we've engaged in this 'otherization' since the beginning of time (for good reasons and bad). Maybe a more important factor is that we're increasingly putting OURSELVES into boxes, which increases the polarization of discourse (because now WE identify as a group and not a whole, and those OTHER groups aren't US so clearly they're wrong/bad/etc). This ebbs and flow…

Interesting thought - maybe, there is a cure. Bear with me now, but isn't the main problem here the fact that massive ego builds a wall between you and other opinions? If so, there is a whole group of substances that do exactly the opposite - promote closeness to peers and temporary suppress ego.

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Post by pjc50 »

mistermann wrote: post #89
pjc50 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all points of view are morally equivalent; the site should not be friendly to certain extremist points of view.

What if the extreme views may be correct? And I don't mean that in a trolling way, I mean that sincerely and literally.

Well, if it turns out that "genocide is actually good" is correct we're all doomed.

Less flippantly, we may not have any special access to moral rightness; in fact if there's one important conclusion of 20th century moral philosophy it's that there's no exogenous moral truth to be found; but we definitely do know a number of things are wrong and lead to moral disaster on a colossal scale. This is why you have to ban racial supremacists. It's happening all over again with the Rohingya.

There is certainly a large band of "extremism or acceptable questioning of the status quo", but anyone running a discussion forum has to be aware that they can't disclaim all moral responsibility for hate spread on it.

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Post by f1nch3r »

Deimorz wrote: post #72
trendia wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> albeit often a wretched hive of scum and villainy depending on subreddit… I'm more concerned about the opposite effect -- that the default subreddits have become pointless and boring, focusing mostly on "funny" images and cat gifs. Gone are the interesting askreddit threads or useful world news commentary, replaced with content designed to keep you browsing and staying on the site longer. At the same time, I think…

If you haven't seen yet, reddit itself is also tilting heavily towards prioritizing funny/quick content (even more than it did before) as well. The new desktop redesign that's in progress has infinite scroll, auto-expanded images and auto-playing gifs/videos, and so on. They also added a new default frontpage sort (that you can't change) that tries to hide any posts you've seen before every time you load it, which ki…

The whole redesign has been painful. At first I liked it, but some of the things you've mentioned here as well as the lagginess of the site have really soured me on Reddit.

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Post by DC-3 »

In a strange event of serendipity, my frustration with the reddit redesign boiled over today and I paid a visit - as I do once every few months - to /r/RedditAlternatives. Not two hours previously, this site had been posted - and from my initial skim-reading of its ethos page onwards I have been blown away by how well engineered it is. I've spent three years building up a mental model of the perfect community site, and it's just turned up out of the blue as tildes.net.

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Post by evilnight »

DC-3 wrote: post #95

In a strange event of serendipity, my frustration with the reddit redesign boiled over today and I paid a visit - as I do once every few months - to /r/RedditAlternatives. Not two hours previously, this site had been posted - and from my initial skim-reading of its ethos page onwards I have been blown away by how well engineered it is. I've spent three years building up a mental model of the perfect community site, a…

Tildes is, in a way, built by /r/theoryofreddit and some awareness of past social media and forum history.

The ideas aren't new, not really. We've been on reddit bitching about reddit for 10 years. All tildes is came out of those bitch-fests about what reddit and other sites lack, how they should operate, why can't we have nice things, etc etc etc.

Since reddit refuses to evolve, here we are.

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Post by hkmurakami »

mistermann wrote: post #90
archagon wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but just because two parties have equal amounts of power and vitriol towards each other does not give them any degree moral parity. This sort of "equivalence by emotion" means absolutely nothing.

It's interesting, he made absolutely no mention that he considered them morally equivalent, yet you refer to that notion in a very passionate manner. Do you believe it is possible for anyone to hold partially imperfect beliefs? Do you believe it is possible for you to hold partially imperfect beliefs? Do you think it's possible that some people mistake matters of opinion (or personal preference) for matters of fact ?…

>Do you think it's possible that some people mistake matters of opinion (or personal preference) for matters of fact? Do you think it's possible for two people two hold differing opinions on a specific subject, with neither of them being wrong?

This is uncanny -- it's like I'm listening to myself speak. I'd be interested in talking to you privately if you're interested. Shoot me a message at the address in my profile.

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Post by notatoad »

knowuh wrote: post #25
zellyn wrote: post #18

It's been fascinating to watch every online environment almost inevitably turn to mush over time. Of particular interest to me are Wikipedia and StackOverflow, where the pedantic rule-following, rule-enforcing insider group eventually squeezes all joy and then all productive life from the the system. Actually, I have little hope for Wikipedia's solving the problem, due to their governance model and political structur…

Thanks to pedantic rules, Wikipedia and StackOverflow are the two most useful sites online right now.

Wikipedia is useful, no denying that.

StackOverflow might as well just be put into read-only mode at this point. Asking new questions is more likely than not going to end up with your question locked for some reason. It's a super useful archive of questions and answers from back in the day when they still let people ask questions, but as far as I can tell no new useful content is being added. A few of the stack exchange sites are still allowing questions, but on the programming one the "ask a question" button is just a decoy.

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Post by notatoad »

This looks interesting, but I'm pretty skeptical of the revenue model. I have a hard time believing a general purpose discussion site can survive on donations. Especially one with a moderation policy. If you see any success, you're going to end up at a point where you need paid moderators - volunteer moderators who are only motivated by the tiny bit of power they have been granted are a big part of the problem with toxic discussion sites like reddit.

If you have no revenue, you have no guarantee of trusted community management. And thats assuming that you can somehow collect enough donations to cover hosting, which also seems unlikely.

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Post by mistermann »

hkmurakami wrote: post #97
mistermann wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting, he made absolutely no mention that he considered them morally equivalent, yet you refer to that notion in a very passionate manner. Do you believe it is possible for anyone to hold partially imperfect beliefs? Do you believe it is possible for you to hold partially imperfect beliefs? Do you think it's possible that some people mistake matters of opinion (or personal preference) for matters of fact ?…

>Do you think it's possible that some people mistake matters of opinion (or personal preference) for matters of fact? Do you think it's possible for two people two hold differing opinions on a specific subject, with neither of them being wrong? This is uncanny -- it's like I'm listening to myself speak. I'd be interested in talking to you privately if you're interested. Shoot me a message at the address in my profile…

Sent, hopefully I interpreted your email address correctly.
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