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Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by jdc0589 »

yodsanklai wrote: post #27
jmcphers wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a heavy Vim user for 20 years, and I hear people say this all the time. Recent converts especially love to write breathless blog posts exalting Vim's editing model as the One True Way, but the truth is that if your editing speed is the bottleneck for your productivity, you must surely be some kind of software engineering deity. There's absolutely no shame in sticking with a model that works for you if you'r…

Same here, I've been using Vim for a long time. The main reason is that I touch type and I really don't like to use the arrow keys. However, I really wonder if I'm really more productive using Vim rather standard shortcuts plus the trackpad.

I know im vim'ing wrong, but I just can't stop using arrow keys. Part of it is because I end up navigating around a little bit in insert mode sometimes, and switching between arrow keys for insert mode ans hjkl for other modes seems dumb.

I don't have a problem using hjkl, I guess my problem is NOT needing to move around inside insert mode. Tips?

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by jdc0589 »

moistoreos wrote: post #57
neurotrace wrote: post #46

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Nah. Vim bindings in VS Code are the sweet spot for me. Some of the Vim emulation isn't perfect but having something like 99% of Vim is plenty plus I get my preferred layout, debugging tools, etc.

I use Vim bindings for VS Code with the Angular work I'm doing at my job. I can vouch that they're the best emulated bindings outside of any JetBrains app that I've touched.

does jetbrains do ANYTHING poorly? it seems like everything they touch is gold.

Re: Vim 8.1

#63

Post by vbezhenar »

jmcphers wrote: post #9
ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

I've been a heavy Vim user for 20 years, and I hear people say this all the time. Recent converts especially love to write breathless blog posts exalting Vim's editing model as the One True Way, but the truth is that if your editing speed is the bottleneck for your productivity, you must surely be some kind of software engineering deity. There's absolutely no shame in sticking with a model that works for you if you'r…

Yep. I think that I know vim well enough, it was a time when I spend months in vim writing C++. vim really shines when you need to do some repetitive tasks. But I've found out that in recent years I don't have those tasks. I'm using Intellij Idea now. If I need to do some repetitive thing, I either rethink the task; use search-replace with regex or just use Idea multiple cursors. Sure, vim might be a little bit better at text editing, but given that I'm spending may be 1% of time on text editing, this optimization just doesn't matter. I tried IdeaVim and decided to stay with traditional hotkeys.

But my vim knowledge helps me every time I need to configure a Linux server, so it wasn't a completely useless experience after all.

Re: Vim 8.1

#64

Post by dozzie »

notheguyouthink wrote: post #53
dozzie wrote: post #37

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> The model of select first, action after (reverse of vim) is so so much better for me. You mean, like the visual modes in Vim? Where you select text before running a command on it?

Sure, but that's just one aspect. For me, it's the most meaningful one though.

I get it that you have your reasons to use Neovim more than Vim, and a large number of them is probably difficult to articulate, but framing it like Vim had no mode for selecting text visually is unfair.

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by jdc0589 »

Elidrake24 wrote: post #13
emacsvimlover wrote: post #8

After running :terminal, is there a way to yank text from my editor window and paste it into the terminal? Likewise, is there a way to copy text from the output of a command (run in the terminal) and paste it into the other window?

For Mac OS, I'd suggest sharing the default storage buffer with the clipboard: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Mac_OS_X_clipboard_sharing

probably a good idea, but I've always gotten by with selecting text, then just `:!pbcopy && pbpaste` when I need to get something TO the system clipboard.

Re: Vim 8.1

#66

Post by furgooswft13 »

jdc0589 wrote: post #61
yodsanklai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here, I've been using Vim for a long time. The main reason is that I touch type and I really don't like to use the arrow keys. However, I really wonder if I'm really more productive using Vim rather standard shortcuts plus the trackpad.

I know im vim'ing wrong, but I just can't stop using arrow keys. Part of it is because I end up navigating around a little bit in insert mode sometimes, and switching between arrow keys for insert mode ans hjkl for other modes seems dumb. I don't have a problem using hjkl, I guess my problem is NOT needing to move around inside insert mode. Tips?

The vim way is to simply escape out of insert mode, do your movement commands, then go back in.

But you can also use ctrl+o [movement command] while in insert mode to do one-off movements and end up back in insert afterwards.

I honestly don't think however that you betray any vim sacred cows by using the arrow keys, or even the mouse when they are convenient. Such as when in insert mode.

hjkl is just much more convenient in normal mode while your hands are already in the right position.

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by jean- »

sushisource wrote: post #32
notheguyouthink wrote: post #22

Man I wish I could switch back to Vim. GUI frontends for Neovim has made me want Vim so bad, but I just can't get away from Kakoune. The model of select first, action after (reverse of vim) is so so much better for me. Kakoune just gives me so much clarity over I'm doing at any one time. I guessed too frequently in vim :/.

Really want to try kak but the lack of IDE plugins stops me completely. I pretty much exclusively use IntelliJ or VSCode with the vim plugin, especially in IntelliJ the auto completion is just so much better and so much less effort to set up than a million vim plugins.

There's a WIP Kakoune mode plugin for VSCode, [0] which is unfortunately unusable and unmaintained. I keep checking every couple of months, hoping the developer will pick it up again, but so far no luck.

[0]: https://github.com/glennsl/kakode

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by jean- »

dozzie wrote: post #37
notheguyouthink wrote: post #22

Man I wish I could switch back to Vim. GUI frontends for Neovim has made me want Vim so bad, but I just can't get away from Kakoune. The model of select first, action after (reverse of vim) is so so much better for me. Kakoune just gives me so much clarity over I'm doing at any one time. I guessed too frequently in vim :/.

> The model of select first, action after (reverse of vim) is so so much better for me. You mean, like the visual modes in Vim? Where you select text before running a command on it?

It's much more powerful than that, though. Among other things, it integrates very well with Kakoune's excellent support for multiple cursors.

You can get an idea of the kind of things that are possible from this demo: https://vimeo.com/82711574

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by nsomaru »

jmcphers wrote: post #9
ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

I've been a heavy Vim user for 20 years, and I hear people say this all the time. Recent converts especially love to write breathless blog posts exalting Vim's editing model as the One True Way, but the truth is that if your editing speed is the bottleneck for your productivity, you must surely be some kind of software engineering deity. There's absolutely no shame in sticking with a model that works for you if you'r…

It's not always about typing speed. When typing you are articulating a thought process to the computer, and the faster you can articulate the current thought, the quicker you're on to the next one (although that may involve pondering and not typing) and so on. Vim has really useful "intermediate" things like registers, macros, :args and :argdo which make some menial tasks a little more bearable.

It also speaks to a part of myself that wants to force myself to use the terminal so that I am forced to use an environment which is, in some sense, fully programmable. Also it's nice when you log in to servers (yes, some do still do that; the dying art of vimming over 400ms This is not necessarily a universal viewpoint.

As for plugins, its usually better to learn to do things in pure vim first so that you're not crippled when you get some vanilla goodness 400ms away. Viva vim, viva mosh. Have had some issues with neovim, jedi, jedi-vim python-language server. The prediction looks okay, but it always lags the UI slightly when pulling up predictions which is jarring. This is one part of Pycharm that is missed.

edit: lots "clicks" when you understand verbs, nouns and more complex movements. it's rare to use single character movements once you're proficiently expressing yourself.

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by nsomaru »

godelski wrote: post #60
danielbarla wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can successfully migrate to vim modes by using less than optimal vim habits initially. I don't think anyone is going to go through the entire action list and instinctively remember all of them, and be able to use them at a moments notice. As an example, my transition was something like this: I'd use a vim plugin, and use say 5- 7 basic actions + movements like `cw`, `c$` `i`, and keep it limited to that f…

Path I took is to learn the basic movements. Then just put a sticky note with new commands each week. Whatever I didn't use I didn't commit to memory. But knowing commands exists helps.

looking to do this at an intermediate level. any commands you can recommend?
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