im surprised that everyone keeps referencing the book and not the Documentary/Movie
Zero days
The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
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Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 60 years of treating every other country as a box in a threat model to be manipulated against other boxes has been a completely unmitigated disaster Has it? The last 60 years have been relatively peaceful, by historical standards.
The world also became a lot more connected, so we're exposed a lot more to wars and such abroad, and we've matured morally speaking and can see that all wars are unnecessary.
Only in a western welfare bubble. Morality over war is what you can afford having other security needs taken care of.
Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#193So what if I run my top secret weapons grade uranium producing plant on a sanely secure operating system, like linux.
Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not how it works. You need the private key to sign the drivers. This is not a file that developers of those companies have access too. These keys are usually stored on a HSM. Even if you want to, you wouldn't be able to access the keys stored inside. This is specifically designed to protect against rogue/bribed personnel. So it's highly unlikely that the stuxnet developers had possession of the key. I'd bet th…
Sorry, this _IS_ how it works. These are usually stored on developers workstations with a weak password protected PKCS12 file (.pfx/.p12) HSMs. Lol.
I'm genuinely interested in how you know this.
Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#195And then people make a fuss about Russia "hacking" the election with some dumb Facebook ads which cost less than maxed out Ford Mustang. When on the other hand we have the state-sponsored military grade/purpose viruses used to attack other nations/regions (Flume attacked a large number of targets and countries) and nobody blinks an eye.
Never understood this logic, "We do it so why should we care when other people do it to us." Total insanity.
Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#196* the most sophisticated software reviewers have seen so far
Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know what's worse than the instant obliteration of millions of people? The slow obliteration and starving of millions of people. Imagine Venezuela, but much much worse. Picture a society that doesn't know how to create institutions, conduct trade and collaborate with the people around them without the aid of a computers. Now, I don't know if disabling their computers would result in an incredibly dysfunctional so…
> You know what's worse than the instant obliteration of millions of people? The slow obliteration and starving of millions of people Yeah, I'm going to have to sort of disagree with you there. Once you are dead, you are dead. If you are starving, things can still change and you can still have free agency.
Well I don't think my dead self would mind being dead with it being dead and all. So I don't really see how any kind of suffering is better than death. In a way death doesn't really hurt you, since you stop living.
Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#198Stuxnet changed history. Any "game of chicken" style equilibria is broken if the probability a nuclear actor's command and control drops below 100%. If there is even a 1% chance that when a Big Red Button is pushed the missiles fail to launch the game becomes unwinnable. Simulations of imperfect information in dynamic brinkmanship where both players are known to have advanced cyber capabilities results in a single dr…
Yes, it has the potential to break the MAD equilibrium. It's very ironic to me that offensive technologies do not threaten world peace as much as defensive technologies.
Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#199So what if I run my top secret weapons grade uranium producing plant on a sanely secure operating system, like linux.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but if not: the idea that Linux is any more secure against a nation state than windows is ridiculous. There are no shortage of regular vulns discovered in each part of the Linux OS as used by stuxnet.
Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written
#200The scary thing about this is: Stuxnet is one of the "most sophisticated" pieces of malware we have discovered up until now . Who knows what kinds of software are still out there quietly doing their thing in the shadows.
Not scared of what “we” are doing to “them”, but rather what “they” are doing to “us”... our power plants, dams, electrical grids, gas pipelines, traffic light networks, air traffic control systems.........