Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because why? You didn't make an argument, you just recited the premise of DHH's argument.
I wasn't trying to make an argument. However, if I was, I'd say: Draw a 50 mile radius circle around Stanford. Get a list of all consumer startup acquisitions in the last 2 years. Put a pin in the map for each acquisition. (This is straight from the mouth of Ron Conway, so apologies to him). Rinse/repeat for VC investment (which is nearly required for any consumer startup)-- it turns out that VCs tend to invest in Va…
DHH: Are you sure you want to be in San Francisco?
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Re: DHH: Are you sure you want to be in San Francisco?
#32I'm glad you enjoy those wonderful Chicago winters, DHH.
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#33The Peninsula (Palo Alto, San Mateo) and the South Bay (Mountain View, San Jose, Santa Clara, Sunnyvale) are home to the popular web sites used around the world.
The issues you would deal with living in SF differ pretty dramatically from the ones you'd deal with living anywhere else in the Bay Area. (Except the expense, which is bad everywhere.)
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#34Along the lines of start small, regional and expand. It's easy to differentiate yourself as a regional online application. Anywhere else.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just moved from Seattle to NYC after 5 years, and although it's only been a few weeks -- it's been nice to be in a city where there are other dominant industries other than technology. San Francisco (and to a lesser extent, Seattle) does a great job of attracting the best and brightest technical people from around the world ... but that doesn't make for a very intellectually diverse set of people (both socially and…
Have you been to San Francisco? This is a very diverse city, from nationalities to political persuasion, etc. The tech community is definitely in the minority here.
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#36DHH talked about lifestyle at Startup camp, and lifestyle is the key reason to want to be in San Francisco. It is simply a great City to live in with the added benefit that almost any escape to the natural world, like skiiing, sailing, etc etc, is immediately available. The downside is some added cost, but the costs here are comparable to Southbay locations and other major Cities. So if you want to build a sustainabl…
Give me a break. I lived in San Francisco for a bunch of years, starting after my first company got bought out --- I've experienced the city both totally flush with cash and living paycheck to paycheck. Allow me to retort: * Public transportation in the Bay Area is a shambles, and, in particular, getting between any two points in the (tiny) city of San Francisco involves interaction with the worst bus system in the c…
- Public transportation is bad, unless you've ever been to houston, phoenix, dallas, detroit, los angeles, or anywhere else in the US outside of NYC, Boston, Portland, Chicago, or D.C. As bad as it is, SF's public transport is probably the 5th BEST in the country.
* Housing is spectacularly expensive, which, in hacker teams, simply means you're going to be living in half the space you have now, with no amenities.
- Yes.
* Office space in San Franscisco? I already spent the modifier "spectacular", so let's go with "catastrophically" expensive, meaning: your office won't be in the city, it will be in San Mateo, which despite its relative proximity to the city, will still be an hour and a half commute. Unlucky enough to wind up in Santa Clara? I was. My commute from SOMA often exceeded two hours each way.
- My office space on Howard street is cheaper than what I would pay on the peninsula or in Chicago. I think I lucked out, though.
* Half to 3/4s of your friends are going to live in the South Bay. No matter where you choose to live --- San Francisco or the suburban Mallhalla of the South Bay --- you are going to be 45 minutes to an hour away from anyone you want to visit.
- uhh... i guess if your friends all work at Yahoo!? I don't really see this unless your friends are all married or dorks.
* An ongoing dispute between the dispatchers, the city, and medallion owners keeps taxicabs artificially scarce, so that you are going to wait 20 minutes to catch one on Folsom or downtown.
- this is pretty much true.
* There isn't one good place in the city to see a show, but that doesn't matter, because your favorite band skips San Francisco.
- this is true if your favorite musicians are Jack Johnson or Britney Spears. If you are cool and listen to interesting music there are at least 6 decent mid to large clubs and dozens of smaller spaces. The music scene is better in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Chicago but SF is on par with everywhere else.
* Last call in San Francisco? Earlier than other cities.
- except it is the same as Los Angeles, Portland and Minneapolis, an hour later than Seattle and Boston, and about the same time as when most bars in Chicago now close. If you want to stay out really late your only choice in the US is Manhattan.
* Weather? Choose between "brown" or "wet".
- more like "cold and windy" or "not quite as cold and windy"
* Streets? Laden with human feces and garbage. Am I being hyperbolic? No.
- it sounds like someone's office was close to 6th and Market. SOMA is slimy in parts but gentrification happens and the poo is mostly confined to a few select corridors these days.
Poopy streets to avoid: 6th between Market and Folsom and associated side alleys. Capp between 15th and 17th. The tenderloin bounded by turk, mason, leavenworth and o'farrell.
Re: DHH: Are you sure you want to be in San Francisco?
#37There are a lot more chicks in other cities. This might assist founders during the low points of a startup.
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#38People are naturally risk-averse -- moreso than pools of capital would prefer. Capital wants to maximize expected return, and will smooth out the variance by diversification, rather than trading away raw expected return for stability.
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#39I'm glad you enjoy those wonderful Chicago winters, DHH.
Winter in Chicago isn't that bad. Do you think "wow, this is great weather" every day during the winter? No. But the spring, summer, and fall is very enjoyable. The problem with Chicago is that there are no other hackers around (all the tech people work for banks, and end up being as interesting as you'd imagine), and there are no 24-hour coffee shops, at least not near me. Chicago is a good place to be if you want t…
I've worked for two startups here, both successful, and know of plenty more. And of course, "Feedburner Feedburner Feedburner 37Signals".
Should there be a monthly meetup for people like us in Chicago? Absolutely. I set one up for security people (http://www.sockpuppet.org/chisec) and it's been pretty successful --- at least, if its spinoff (http://www.citysec.org) is to be believed. If 40 people will show up each month to swap drinks for infosec stories, surely more would show up to talk about Social Networking for Pets.
Re: DHH: Are you sure you want to be in San Francisco?
#40There should be another point under TALENT. Set up shop near a college with a strong tech program.