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US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

#61

Not true at all. Turns out that the poor people who actually cant afford to have kids are having more kids. Hispanic and Black growth is much higher than whites and asians. Asians with the highest income level have lowest birth rate. Given that it is mostly whites who have been leading in STEM there is a high chance that US will lose its competitive advantage in these fields.

I think the dwindling white population is actually a good thing, because it will enable people of color to assert a leading role in STEM fields!

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

#62
post #5

Student loans, housing costs, job prospects, healthcare, childcare. People are making a rational decision to avoid children they can’t afford. We as a society need to re-examine the causes of rising costs of essentials so reproduction is no longer financially infeasible.

Right in that bucket and don't think I'll ever afford being able to rear a child from a financial position of "comfort". Savings to the hilt but it's a cash flow problem. I also don't want to leave my wife and I without a child but all I envision are bars of my own making.

There's a really nice scene in the movie Idiocracy about that sort of phenomenon.

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

#63
post #10

Interesting... How many people here would say that they have actively decided not to have children? I am just curious.

Wife and I decided ages ago to not have children. I had a vascetomy when I was ~25. I think our reasons differ, and mine are confused, but it's very clear to both of us that we never want children. Oddly, she liked being an aunt though, so there is that.

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

#64
post #8

For decades, the US birth rate has been held up by immigration. American values have been to regard the country as a nation of immigrants, who not only act as a source of youthful workers, but also have more kids than Americans who have been here longer. So the US has avoided workforce aging, as has happened in parts of Europe and especially Japan, through immigration. With the recent reduction in immigration, accele…

I don't see the value in large numbers of unskilled workers entering the US every year. With a potentially large wave of automation coming, the US shouldn't straddled itself with lots of unemployable drivers, farm workers, etc. I hope we can move to a much more sensible immigration system, similar to Canada's, for example.

Europe did the same in importing large numbers of Muslim laborers after WW2. The hope was that they'd either make their money and go back home, or culturally integrate. Many observers will say that neither happened and there's now a difficult social problem in many countries like France.

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the value in large numbers of unskilled workers entering the US every year. With a potentially large wave of automation coming, the US shouldn't straddled itself with lots of unemployable drivers, farm workers, etc. I hope we can move to a much more sensible immigration system, similar to Canada's, for example.

Immigrants to the US have the same level of college completion as natives: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/03/key-findings...

Illegal immigrants usually do not (under the table, off the books unskilled labor), and are in the US in large numbers (millions).

Not a sleight, just facts.

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

#66
post #5

Student loans, housing costs, job prospects, healthcare, childcare. People are making a rational decision to avoid children they can’t afford. We as a society need to re-examine the causes of rising costs of essentials so reproduction is no longer financially infeasible.

It's not just a US issue. Fertility drops below replacement rate all across the world in urban settings with modern economies, from Germany to Japan to China, even trending in sub saharan Africa https://www.ageing.ox.ac.uk/blog/Is-fertility-stalling-in-su...

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the value in large numbers of unskilled workers entering the US every year. With a potentially large wave of automation coming, the US shouldn't straddled itself with lots of unemployable drivers, farm workers, etc. I hope we can move to a much more sensible immigration system, similar to Canada's, for example.

Immigrants to the US have the same level of college completion as natives: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/03/key-findings...

I'm amazed at how skewed South / Central America is to all other regions!

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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post #61

Not true at all. Turns out that the poor people who actually cant afford to have kids are having more kids. Hispanic and Black growth is much higher than whites and asians. Asians with the highest income level have lowest birth rate. Given that it is mostly whites who have been leading in STEM there is a high chance that US will lose its competitive advantage in these fields.

I think the dwindling white population is actually a good thing, because it will enable people of color to assert a leading role in STEM fields!

Serious question: How is this not wildly racist?

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

#70

As half of a thirty somethings couple that wants children but can’t afford the financial implications in the Bay Area, it seems pretty clear to me why fertility is down.

Well, you could of course move but in the end it is mostly about priorities.
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