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Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#71
I can see Uber doing R&D in autonomous cars, I see that an extension - and the next logical steps - for transportation as we know it.

But, when I read:

"The joint work statement focuses on research to create the first usable stacked co-rotating rotors or propellers; this is a concept for having two rotor systems placed on top of each other and rotating in the same direction."

I scratch my head: where is Uber's domain expertise in this?

Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#72
I find it interesting that Uber wants to do everything except find people rides.

I’ll continue using Lyft. Uber is going to either get lucky with something and also be the Uber Of That or they’re going to burn hard by forgetting what it is they are supposed to be doing.

Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#73

Interesting, military only gave ~$1M for such an ambitious project while Uber is burning billions a year and could easily afford this. My speculation is that this partnership is first and foremost an attempt to provide Uber with a patina of respectability for this attempt and access to military technical expertise. Uber just crashed and burned on self driving, something it desperately needs to quench its towering mon…

I guess they’re starting their IPO roadshow by trying to stay in the news as much as possible.

Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#74
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US defense collaboration we can only speculate on Or you could ask. I work for the lab's parent command. The easy answer is that, if you look at the Army's top modernization priorities, future vertical lift (better helicopters) is right near the tippy top. And if you search up "ARL open campus," you'll see what the lab has been up to with respect to partnering. And that's just the lab. We have six research, dev…

Cool, so what is the 1 million contract for? Just co-developing VTOLs so both parties benefit? Sharing information and knowledge? Or does it have anything to do with US governments license on the partnering programs granting them "nonexclusive, royalty free and worldwide license for government use" for any IP and resource commitment? Which seems to be one of the top selling points of the program, I guess it could say…

Yes, it's just about working with people who are doing things of interest to the Army. Army leaders have been saying for a while that, without partnerships, there are areas in which the Army can't keep up with the pace of technological change, the spread of new technologies, and what people who haven't historically had access to military R&D can do with those technologies. For example, mines used to be limited to a relatively few armies. Then somebody figured out how to set off stacks of stolen explosives with a cell phone and we had to deal with IEDs.

Also, my command executes about 75% of the Army's R&D budget and does a fair amount of engineering for Army and other federal organizations. All that totals up to about $6 - 6.5 billion a year. That's a lot of money, but not enough to keep up with everybody everywhere in every field of interest to the Army. So we partner.

As far as exclusive vs non-exclusive, there has long been a segment of the military industrial complex that takes Army research and builds things to sell to the Army (and we have programs to help them do that), or to turn the research into civilian products. It goes project by project, so I don't make blanket statements. That said, the open campus idea that was pitched to by the lab to our commander is pretty much exactly what it says in their press releases. My general understanding is that people like military contracts, but if you restrict them to a military contract then the people with some of the best ideas lose interest. Again, that's just my understanding because I'm sometimes in the room for various discussions. If this were an official query I'd have to check with several people to give an official, informed reply.

Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#75

I can see Uber doing R&D in autonomous cars, I see that an extension - and the next logical steps - for transportation as we know it. But, when I read: "The joint work statement focuses on research to create the first usable stacked co-rotating rotors or propellers; this is a concept for having two rotor systems placed on top of each other and rotating in the same direction." I scratch my head: where is Uber's domain…

Isn't Uber's most recent soft pivot in their pitch to their investors "cars on the road are overrated, the future's all about flying taxis"?

I just hope this isn't DARPA subsidising Uber's questionable at best business model.

Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#76

I can see Uber doing R&D in autonomous cars, I see that an extension - and the next logical steps - for transportation as we know it. But, when I read: "The joint work statement focuses on research to create the first usable stacked co-rotating rotors or propellers; this is a concept for having two rotor systems placed on top of each other and rotating in the same direction." I scratch my head: where is Uber's domain…

If you have money, you have domain expertise. They hired Mark Moore from NASA and Celina Mikolajczak from Tesla. Each of these people can hire an entire team of experts from NASA and Tesla.

Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#77

I can see Uber doing R&D in autonomous cars, I see that an extension - and the next logical steps - for transportation as we know it. But, when I read: "The joint work statement focuses on research to create the first usable stacked co-rotating rotors or propellers; this is a concept for having two rotor systems placed on top of each other and rotating in the same direction." I scratch my head: where is Uber's domain…

It's a $500,000 dollar research grant, I assume the military gives out a lot of these and almost none make press releases. Uber has talked about flying cars before, so that's the experience answer.

Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#78

I can see Uber doing R&D in autonomous cars, I see that an extension - and the next logical steps - for transportation as we know it. But, when I read: "The joint work statement focuses on research to create the first usable stacked co-rotating rotors or propellers; this is a concept for having two rotor systems placed on top of each other and rotating in the same direction." I scratch my head: where is Uber's domain…

Isn't Uber's most recent soft pivot in their pitch to their investors "cars on the road are overrated, the future's all about flying taxis"? I just hope this isn't DARPA subsidising Uber's questionable at best business model.

I haven't heard that one (from them), got a link?

Re: U.S. Army, Uber sign research agreement

#79
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Uber's most recent soft pivot in their pitch to their investors "cars on the road are overrated, the future's all about flying taxis"? I just hope this isn't DARPA subsidising Uber's questionable at best business model.

I haven't heard that one (from them), got a link?

https://www.uber.com/info/elevate/
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