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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by matwood » Thu, May 17, 2018, 11:45 AM UTC

SllX wrote: post #62

ikeboy wrote: post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

Well we're at 4 or 4.5 now. 1. YouTube 1.5 YT Music (basically a music-oriented front-end to YouTube) 2. Google Play Music All-Access 3. YouTube Music Premium (from the article) 4. (or 3.5) VEVO I particularly enjoyed this quote: > The days of jumping back and forth between multiple music apps and YouTube are over. As the above list shows, this is demonstrably false. Given that YouTube Red (or YouTube Premium as they…

It's comical. Google needs some PMs/POs/management who can reign in all the obvious internal politics. Google could own the streaming market if they could just build a coherent product, instead we get what you listed out.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by matwood » Thu, May 17, 2018, 11:53 AM UTC

chiefalchemist wrote: post #152

lmedinas wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does it with other products as well. See for example the Instant messaging apps they have done: 0) Google Wave 1) Google Talk 2) Hangouts 3) Google Duo and Google Allo 4) Android Messaging 5) other ? and of course of course the Task mess good has implemented in Google Assistant, Google Tasks, Google Calendar and Google Keep. Seriously Google needs to plan better their brands and services.

There's another way to look at this. That is, The Google is not a product (or brand) company. It's an analytics company. Despite all the hype about it's greatness and genius it is still (for all intents and purposes) a one trick pony; some would say a monopoly as well. If this is your lens then their drunk sailor march of products is not much of a surprise. In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest i…

> In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest its "failures" are intentional, or at least ultimately a (regulatory) positive for The Google.

Possibly. I see these products more of putting a bunch of smart programmers in a room with no management. Everyone wants to throw out the old and build something new. I've seen it myself at many companies, just at a much smaller scale. Google can get away with this because their search cash cow.

A good analogy is team building for a single product and only having experienced master programmers. Is there enough interesting work for a team of only master programmers? Teams usually work best with a mix of experience so that the grunt work for one member is learning/great work for another.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by matwood » Thu, May 17, 2018, 11:55 AM UTC

oblio wrote: post #101

ikeboy wrote: post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

Google operates under the assumption that they're making a "free market": they have a ton of services, some competing directly, and in the end a winner emerges and snuffs everyone else out. I guess someone should tell them about the paradox of choice, branch dilution and the fact that despite Google being big, they're not an entire market unto themselves. Google: make 1 big, single, integrated service and when a star…

> Google operates under the assumption that they're making a "free market": they have a ton of services, some competing directly, and in the end a winner emerges and snuffs everyone else out.

Except they are only doing the first part, putting out a lot products. At some point they have to kill off the other products and put the combined resources behind the one that wins. All I see is more products getting released.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by n4r9 » Thu, May 17, 2018, 12:02 PM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #177

Coincidentally, I've already been using YouTube as a "music streaming service" for many years --- youtube-dl, mpv, and some Perl scripts holding it all together.

Interesting! Do you have a way to search for particular tracks and load them into a queue via the command line? That would be awesome.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by Ntrails » Thu, May 17, 2018, 12:04 PM UTC

baud147258 wrote: post #107

dexen wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are following in the footsteps of the movie industry, which also provides worse experience to the paying customer. Pay for movie theater ticket, get served 30+ minutes of ads. (edit) Pay for DVD, get unskippable "antipiracy ads". Torrent the movie, and you'll be watching the movie in under 3 minutes of download.

Well, when the movie is in theather, there are rarely good quality (non-cam) torrents available and the screen is usually bigger than at home, but it might not be a factor, depending on the viewer or the movie. But it's true when it reach DVD, you'll still have to watch the anti-piracy ads.

Interestingly Netflix et al skip the anti-piracy garbage and excluding the miserable UI actually do a good job of making "pick movie -> watch movie" as convenient as torrenting.

But still, I've torrented every DvD I own and the discs rot in the attic. I never cared about the extras anyway time to watch is ~a hundred times lower.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by ilamont » Thu, May 17, 2018, 12:13 PM UTC

birdman3131 wrote: post #17

What sells me on spotify is the ability to control it from any device. Listening on my phone while at my computer? Hit skip on my keyboard and the phone skips to the next track. Playing on my Dot? I can pause right from my phone. Ditto with volume control. I wanted to like amazon music but I could not because of the lack of these features.

What killed Amazon Music for me was:

1) Terrible playlists curated by people (most likely using popularity data) that didn't know anything about the genres or how they should flow.

2) Family Sharing that let family members use my credit card to order stuff.

For a while I worked at building my own playlists on Amazon Music, but the straw that broke the camel's back was a relative inadvertently ordering a cat tree on my dime.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by drdaeman » Thu, May 17, 2018, 12:14 PM UTC

dexen wrote: post #77

tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

They are following in the footsteps of the movie industry, which also provides worse experience to the paying customer. Pay for movie theater ticket, get served 30+ minutes of ads. (edit) Pay for DVD, get unskippable "antipiracy ads". Torrent the movie, and you'll be watching the movie in under 3 minutes of download.

That's also if they provide any experience at all. You know, "not available in your region" is what a paying non-US non-EU customer should expect to occasionally see. Worse: even if there was something in "your" library last week, you can't expect it to be there tomorrow.

If you're non-paying customer, with some services, you may get around with a VPN. If you're paying for the service - virtually everyone uses your billing address, so you're paying to have access denied.

Just had that experience with GPM recently (other services are no better)

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by bsharitt » Thu, May 17, 2018, 12:20 PM UTC

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. And if you use Google Play Music, nothing will change

Right now I get YouTube Red with my Google Play Music subscription, so it sounds like I'm losing that, that's actually a very big change. Instead of a nice little add on, I now get a subscription to a completely redundant service instead.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by ebiester » Thu, May 17, 2018, 12:25 PM UTC

bsharitt wrote: post #188

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. And if you use Google Play Music, nothing will change Right now I get YouTube Red with my Google Play Music subscription, so it sounds like I'm losing that, that's actually a very big change. Instead of a nice little add on, I now get a subscription to a completely redundant se…

I may be naive, but I don’t think they meant to say the two were unbundled. They’re changing the name of YouTube Red to YouTube premium but it seems like they’re keeping the two bundled.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by jscheel » Thu, May 17, 2018, 12:26 PM UTC

jordonwii wrote: post #55

bestnameever wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you’re already a YouTube Red (soon to be YouTube Premium) member I subscribe to google play music but if I look at my youtube red status is says member. So I assume, I will continue to enjoy it at no extra cost. I chatted with google and they said the same but the wording is really confusing...so who knows.

> > If you’re already a YouTube Red (soon to be YouTube Premium) member > I subscribe to google play music but if I look at my youtube red status is says member. So I assume, I will continue to enjoy it at no extra cost. I chatted with google and they said the same but the wording is really confusing...so who knows. That's reflecting the current pricing structure, no? Currently, buying play music also gets you read.…

Yeah, I’m super confused. Does this mean I will start getting ads in YouTube because I only have the Google Play Music subscription? If so, they’ve just removed the one reason I haven’t switched to Spotify.