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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by bryogenic »

reificator wrote: post #142
tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

Yep. I used to be able to play a non-music youtube video on my phone while playing music in the background. Now it's one or the other, and I can't even get around it by playing music on another device since I use Google Play Music. Shame Google Play Music is going away, it does some cool things. It lets me upload my own music so I can actually listen to Tool on a streaming service.[0] It lets me build up a collection…

> Shame Google Play Music is going away

What makes you say that? From the linked blog:

> If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. And if you use Google Play Music, nothing will change -- you’ll still be able to access all of your purchased music, uploads and playlists in Google Play Music just like always.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by chiefalchemist »

lmedinas wrote: post #130
SllX wrote: post #62

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Well we're at 4 or 4.5 now. 1. YouTube 1.5 YT Music (basically a music-oriented front-end to YouTube) 2. Google Play Music All-Access 3. YouTube Music Premium (from the article) 4. (or 3.5) VEVO I particularly enjoyed this quote: > The days of jumping back and forth between multiple music apps and YouTube are over. As the above list shows, this is demonstrably false. Given that YouTube Red (or YouTube Premium as they…

Google does it with other products as well. See for example the Instant messaging apps they have done: 0) Google Wave 1) Google Talk 2) Hangouts 3) Google Duo and Google Allo 4) Android Messaging 5) other ? and of course of course the Task mess good has implemented in Google Assistant, Google Tasks, Google Calendar and Google Keep. Seriously Google needs to plan better their brands and services.

There's another way to look at this. That is, The Google is not a product (or brand) company. It's an analytics company. Despite all the hype about it's greatness and genius it is still (for all intents and purposes) a one trick pony; some would say a monopoly as well.

If this is your lens then their drunk sailor march of products is not much of a surprise. In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest its "failures" are intentional, or at least ultimately a (regulatory) positive for The Google.

Side note: In the hands of just about anyone else, Wave would have - and probably still could - bury Slack. Wave was the future. A future that would have been mucked by ads. That was its downfall.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by Deestan »

mrweasel wrote: post #68
erikpukinskis wrote: post #20

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What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

One of the many problems with machine learning, and using it for recommendations, is that it completely ignores how humans think and behave. Just because I watch a few videos of a certain type today, and actively seek them out, doesn't mean that I want to see similar videos again next week. Maybe I was just in the mood for that type of content today, tomorrow may be something completely different. That being said, Yo…

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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by swebs »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #20
jypepin wrote: post #13

Normally when I see this kind of announcement, I think "It will take long before they learn and nail it like the main competition" - in this case Spotify. Spotify seems to be doing a great job curating new music or building playlist specifically for me according to what I listen to, and I can only assume it's 100% automated obviously. Google is so strong with ML today, and not stopping, I don't know what will allow s…

What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

>And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex.

Because the goal is not to suggest the videos that you're most likely to like. The goal is to maximize revenue. That pirated rip of a How It's Made episode will make them next to nothing, but that 10 minute partnered video "DO GIRLS POOP?!?!??!" will make them how ever many thousands of dollars the creator payed to promote it + ad sharing.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by swebs »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #86
pjmlp wrote: post #50

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As usual, just a few privileged European countries. Looking forward for an EU wide law to force lazy US companies to either offer the service to everyone or not at all.

We should introduce a EU wide everything before that can happen :) Like an official EU language. Maybe we can mix some German and French together to create some kind of EUber language. Lets call it EUber. J'heisse Hans Müller. Wilkommen-vous Maybe add some Spanish and Ikea language as well.

+90% of the songs will be in English anyway. Why not just release it with an English UI too?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by Maro »

pferdone wrote: post #95
dexen wrote: post #77

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They are following in the footsteps of the movie industry, which also provides worse experience to the paying customer. Pay for movie theater ticket, get served 30+ minutes of ads. (edit) Pay for DVD, get unskippable "antipiracy ads". Torrent the movie, and you'll be watching the movie in under 3 minutes of download.

I wouldn't call an IMAX setup a 'subpar experience'

These days, when I have a movie ticket for time T, I plan to arrive at T+20 minutes. That's when the ads are over, roughly when the trailers are playing.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by s0adex »

Maro wrote: post #156
pferdone wrote: post #95

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I wouldn't call an IMAX setup a 'subpar experience'

These days, when I have a movie ticket for time T, I plan to arrive at T+20 minutes. That's when the ads are over, roughly when the trailers are playing.

It doesn't work well if the ticket has no reserved seat. You do that and the only seat available will be in the first row.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by swebs »

I'm worried about using a service like this after Youtube started censoring videos that don't match their political ideology. Will YouTube Music be censoring songs that have references to guns? Are they going to randomly demonetize songs that use bad language? Why not just use Spotify then?

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Post by sandrobfc »

Everything I needed from YouTube for it to become a "music streaming service" was the possibility to leave the app without it closing the damn video.

Other than that, if they can keep all the live concerts they have now in audio only, it could be cool, but I would hardly change from my current service.

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Post by byte1918 »

icebraining wrote: post #109
weavie wrote: post #98

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It knows which device is currently playing. Anything you do sends it to the currently playing device. You can pull up a list of all connected devices and select which one you want to be playing. It then starts on the new device from where the old one left off. It works really well. I have my raspberry pi plugged into my amplifier, and play through that. I control it with my phone or laptop, whichever is nearer.

I think the question is about the media keys. What happens if your phone is playing something on Spotify, and your laptop is playing something on VLC, but also has Spotify open? Does pressing the skip media key make both players skip, or just one of them?

On Windows VLC will swallow hot keys if it's on top, otherwise they are caught by spotify. If they are both in the background it's spotify. If there's another app that listens to the same hot keys, I think (pretty confident) that it's the last one to register for the hot key.
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