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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by INTPenis »

This seems redundant but I do know a lot of people who find it easier to turn on music via youtube than any other service, for some reason.

Personally I think this should have been a move for more user generated content categories within Google Play Music instead of altering the Youtube concept.

Because anything other than user generated content and you have to assume that Alphabet already has permission to play it in one service, then why not get permission to play it in their actual music service.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by reificator »

tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

Yep. I used to be able to play a non-music youtube video on my phone while playing music in the background.

Now it's one or the other, and I can't even get around it by playing music on another device since I use Google Play Music.

Shame Google Play Music is going away, it does some cool things. It lets me upload my own music so I can actually listen to Tool on a streaming service.[0] It lets me build up a collection of music without necessarily endorsing it with a positive rating. And of course it has most albums I go looking for.

But it's a Google product, so of course once it's made its way into your routine it gets canceled. I had hoped that the payment model would delay that a bit longer...

[0]: Tool is super pretentious and says they don't make songs, they make albums. So their music is not available on any services that would allow for buying singles, even if you could also buy the album. It's only available (last I checked) on Pandora where you're going to get nothing but singles and have no ability to listen to the full album.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by reificator »

18973424 wrote: post #122
tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

YouTube Red is the stupidest thing ever. It advertises as "youtube without ads", but the majority of ad content is embedded into the videos by the creators in the form of often undisclosed product placement.

That certainly exists, but that just means you need to change what you're watching. Channels like 3 Blue 1 Brown will openly disclose their ads, usually at the start or end of the video. And others simply have no content related to things you can buy and are supported via the YouTube ads in and around the video instead.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by kuschku »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #82
fluxsauce wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier Purely from a payment processing point of view, unless Google wants to fight Visa, MasterCard and other institutions this will never happen. There are a lot of restrictions around content and payment processors that you would assume is covered by freedom of…

Freedom of speech does not cover corporations, I really don't get why that is still being brought up. Credit card companies don't want to be held responsible if your CC payment is being used for the sexual exploitation of people. They don't want to be associated with revenge porn, etc. I'm sure there's a puritan reasoning in there too somewhere, but TBF I doubt that's the primary reason given how big the porn market…

And that’s why payment processors have to die.

With bank transfers, no one except law regulates what you can pay for. With EC, same. With VISA/MasterCard/PayPal, selling cuban cigars in Germany from a German company to a German customer gets you banned.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by ThatPlayer »

icebraining wrote: post #112
pjc50 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... or using the strangely named "newpipe"

Or using Firefox for Android with the Video Background Play Fix addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro...

None of those offer a nice feature I have in the current YouTube Red app: an offline mixtape, which is actually dynamically generated once a day or so. I like it because I can find a song, and listen to it multiple times on my computer, and it'll be the app will automatically download it afterwards.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by kuschku »

viraptor wrote: post #58
ikeboy wrote: post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

YouTube already includes comments and a chat on live streams, so close to a messaging app ;-) Seriously though, YouTube is not a music service, or at least it looks like they don't want it to be, since the interface isn't really great for that case. It also kills phone battery if you use it that way, so YouTube music is an experience upgrade.

Actually, YouTube also has a second chat app included.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by oblio »

chatmasta wrote: post #140
oblio wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google operates under the assumption that they're making a "free market": they have a ton of services, some competing directly, and in the end a winner emerges and snuffs everyone else out. I guess someone should tell them about the paradox of choice, branch dilution and the fact that despite Google being big, they're not an entire market unto themselves. Google: make 1 big, single, integrated service and when a star…

I’ve heard this meme repeated before, but is there any example of when it actually worked for them? Is there a single google product that was originally one of many internally and is now the market leader? I can only think of counter examples... everywhere google spreads too thin they lose market share to competitors. Messaging is the prime example.

I guess you're agreeing with me? I can't tell :)

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by chatmasta »

oblio wrote: post #147
chatmasta wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve heard this meme repeated before, but is there any example of when it actually worked for them? Is there a single google product that was originally one of many internally and is now the market leader? I can only think of counter examples... everywhere google spreads too thin they lose market share to competitors. Messaging is the prime example.

I guess you're agreeing with me? I can't tell :)

Yeah we definitely agree. You were citing Google's strategy, which I agree is there strategy -- I'm just wondering if anyone has an example of when it worked.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by reificator »

dvcrn wrote: post #138

I wonder what happens to self-uploaded music. I read that it's being migrated, but will we still be able to upload, or will this disappear? The only reason why I'm not with Spotify, but with Google Music (or now Apple music as test) is because I have a lot of songs that are just not covered in their catalogues that I uploaded myself.

Yep. Good old Tool, who won't let any streaming service use their music because it devalues the experience of listening to a full album.

Except that it's been available on Pandora for years, which is the only major streaming service that doesn't allow you to listen to full albums.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by mnx »

icebraining wrote: post #109
weavie wrote: post #98

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It knows which device is currently playing. Anything you do sends it to the currently playing device. You can pull up a list of all connected devices and select which one you want to be playing. It then starts on the new device from where the old one left off. It works really well. I have my raspberry pi plugged into my amplifier, and play through that. I control it with my phone or laptop, whichever is nearer.

I think the question is about the media keys. What happens if your phone is playing something on Spotify, and your laptop is playing something on VLC, but also has Spotify open? Does pressing the skip media key make both players skip, or just one of them?

As other replies pointed out, this is handled by the OS. Seems to work well most of the time for me on Ubuntu.
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