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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by halflings »

tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

I also have YouTube Premium and use it from my workstation + my work laptop + my phone, and never had this issue. Maybe this is something TV specific if you use their TV web app (cannot control playback from multiple devices at the same time) ?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by icebraining »

pjc50 wrote: post #89
chii wrote: post #81

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you can't play youtube videos _and_ run another app at the same time (background play) without paying.

... or using the strangely named "newpipe"

Or using Firefox for Android with the Video Background Play Fix addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro...

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by dawnerd »

tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

I’ve yet to see that and I use YouTube like that literally every day. I wonder if you’re in a test group or specific to whatever media you’re watching.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by marliechiller »

Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #47
erikpukinskis wrote: post #20

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What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

Not just YouTube, Google Play Music's recommendations are truly terrible. I'm regularly being recommended whatever is popular, rather than anything I'll actually listen to. The only time I've ever witnessed Google Play get a recommendation right is when a band I've already added to my library releases a new album. It irks me that after being a subscriber for many years, Google Play still doesn't have anything like Sp…

im going to have to disagree here. ive trained my google play by hitting the like button on songs i like. My music taste is wide ranging but often quite selective within a genre and its really blown me away with how good its been with providing me with subtley new music i.e just similar enough to interest me but different enough that i dont get bored. This also feeds into my weekly 'new music that i might like' menu. I really dont get suggested anything thats in the charts anymore much to my pleasure!

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by chrisper »

pjmlp wrote: post #105
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #86

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We should introduce a EU wide everything before that can happen :) Like an official EU language. Maybe we can mix some German and French together to create some kind of EUber language. Lets call it EUber. J'heisse Hans Müller. Wilkommen-vous Maybe add some Spanish and Ikea language as well.

We already have quite a few German and French mixes, just need to pick which one you like best. It just irks me that only the big countries get the goodies, and then some of the smaller ones eventually get it, if ever.

Hey, Switzerland is not that big!

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by icebraining »

frabcus wrote: post #85
erikpukinskis wrote: post #20

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What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

Weirdly it seems to be because of scale - YouTube is just so big with such a high volume of videos, user data, and new videos, they can't yet run the ML algorithms they'd really want to over the whole corpus. https://www.quora.com/How-does-YouTubes-recommendation-algor... So meanwhile we get emotionally-stunted video recommendations from a savant toddler. It's really harmful.

That just sounds like a poor choice of a first step; why not use a random sample, then apply their sophisticated algorithm on that?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by ikeboy »

SllX wrote: post #110
fluxsauce wrote: post #67

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> maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier Purely from a payment processing point of view, unless Google wants to fight Visa, MasterCard and other institutions this will never happen. There are a lot of restrictions around content and payment processors that you would assume is covered by freedom of…

Obviously this is an opportunity for Google to get into the business of making more payment apps. They're way behind the curve on that compared to their music and chat services, only having two at this point (Google Pay and Tez). There is an obvious hole right there that I'm sure they could fill with a blockchain or anonymous gift cards. Or both! They could be the leading service provider for using the blockchain to…

In their defense they did release 2 previous payments apps (wallet and android pay), but rolled them into google pay

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by Benji_San »

notatoad wrote: post #97
balls187 wrote: post #27

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It's in the article. Starting Tuesday, we're rolling out the new YouTube Music experience in the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, Mexico and South Korea*. It will expand more broadly in the coming weeks. We’ll also soon be launching in Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

the youtube red announcement also said it was coming to canada "soon". given that they rebranded the whole service quicker than they could manage to expand to Canada, i don't have too much hope for youtube's definition of soon.

Yeah, youtube red/music key has been "coming soon" to some European countries for years already (though it was initially available for play music subscribers for a few months during some limited release/pilot).

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by weavie »

icebraining wrote: post #109
weavie wrote: post #98

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It knows which device is currently playing. Anything you do sends it to the currently playing device. You can pull up a list of all connected devices and select which one you want to be playing. It then starts on the new device from where the old one left off. It works really well. I have my raspberry pi plugged into my amplifier, and play through that. I control it with my phone or laptop, whichever is nearer.

I think the question is about the media keys. What happens if your phone is playing something on Spotify, and your laptop is playing something on VLC, but also has Spotify open? Does pressing the skip media key make both players skip, or just one of them?

Ah interesting question.

This thread implies that there can be a war between apps fighting for control

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Windows/Media-keys-....

I've never really used the media keys, so have no idea how it really works in practice. Might have a play when I get home later.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by Applejinx »

SllX wrote: post #110
fluxsauce wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier Purely from a payment processing point of view, unless Google wants to fight Visa, MasterCard and other institutions this will never happen. There are a lot of restrictions around content and payment processors that you would assume is covered by freedom of…

Obviously this is an opportunity for Google to get into the business of making more payment apps. They're way behind the curve on that compared to their music and chat services, only having two at this point (Google Pay and Tez). There is an obvious hole right there that I'm sure they could fill with a blockchain or anonymous gift cards. Or both! They could be the leading service provider for using the blockchain to…

can't tell if sarcasm

o_O

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