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YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by jessehu »

jypepin wrote: post #13

Normally when I see this kind of announcement, I think "It will take long before they learn and nail it like the main competition" - in this case Spotify. Spotify seems to be doing a great job curating new music or building playlist specifically for me according to what I listen to, and I can only assume it's 100% automated obviously. Google is so strong with ML today, and not stopping, I don't know what will allow s…

> Google is so strong with ML today, and not stopping, I don't know what will allow smaller competitors to stay differentiated. I just had a call with a G recruiter, and pretty much 100% of the roles they have in all their European offices are ML-related roles, on most products. And they hire without ML experience, which I think is a sign of how much they are investing in ML.

Weird. I'm having the opposite experience, where I'm not having luck finding an ML team, even with research experience. What teams/products are hiring for ML-related roles without experience?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by ikeboy »

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month.

Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps.

It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self driving google car?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by code_duck »

I’ve been using the YouTube Music app for several months now. I find it convenient in some ways, but overall less polished and less useful than the main YouTube app - a conclusion I only came to recently and after the most recent, somewhat buggy update, which often displays the incorrect song playing on my iPhone lock screen, and incorporates slidey actions that interfere with iOS menus. I like that it has a playlist where you can easily see and skip back to history.

The main thing that has me using the standard app now is that Music has only a subset of videos available. I’ve been listening to a lot of obscure music lately, and I’ve started to come up with situations where 65% of the videos are available in the Music app and 100% in the YouTube app. I would love to use a YouTube app for music, but it can’t be a second tier service to the main one.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#45

Post by izacus »

cma wrote: post #42

Why can't I cast a Youtube video's audio to chromecast audio? The only way is to share the whole screen which burns battery and causes skipping if your wifi isn't perfect.

Because copyright holders don't allow you to. They want you to pay for music and not listen to it for free on YouTube.

This is why any kind of videoless playback is disabled without Red subscription.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#46

Post by bildung »

adamnemecek wrote: post #10

Lol why does google make these also-ran services? Too little too late, I legit dont care. Like what is the differentiator here. Google really doesn't get culture and the internet. The internet lets me listen to weird shit, make it easy to discover underground shit, not fucking Drake and fucking Havana. You know the things played nonstop on the radio. God their product launches legit piss me off. So many resources to…

I regulary use youtube to hunt for niche tracks, and it still happens that those tracks can't be found on spotify (though spotify got vastly better with not-so-popular music in the last 6 months or so).

Youtubes never recommends mainstream music to me, I guess it depends on the browsing history of your account (and IP address etc.)

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by Benjamin_Dobell »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #20
jypepin wrote: post #13

Normally when I see this kind of announcement, I think "It will take long before they learn and nail it like the main competition" - in this case Spotify. Spotify seems to be doing a great job curating new music or building playlist specifically for me according to what I listen to, and I can only assume it's 100% automated obviously. Google is so strong with ML today, and not stopping, I don't know what will allow s…

What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

Not just YouTube, Google Play Music's recommendations are truly terrible. I'm regularly being recommended whatever is popular, rather than anything I'll actually listen to. The only time I've ever witnessed Google Play get a recommendation right is when a band I've already added to my library releases a new album.

It irks me that after being a subscriber for many years, Google Play still doesn't have anything like Spotify's Discover Weekly. The Google Play Music recommendations are just so god-damn awful. I don't know if it's actually the case, but they come across as ads, not recommendations i.e. Some record label paid lots of money to be "recommended" frequently.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#49

Post by adamnemecek »

bildung wrote: post #46
adamnemecek wrote: post #10

Lol why does google make these also-ran services? Too little too late, I legit dont care. Like what is the differentiator here. Google really doesn't get culture and the internet. The internet lets me listen to weird shit, make it easy to discover underground shit, not fucking Drake and fucking Havana. You know the things played nonstop on the radio. God their product launches legit piss me off. So many resources to…

I regulary use youtube to hunt for niche tracks, and it still happens that those tracks can't be found on spotify (though spotify got vastly better with not-so-popular music in the last 6 months or so). Youtubes never recommends mainstream music to me, I guess it depends on the browsing history of your account (and IP address etc.)

I do too, however my question is what does this provide that wasn't possible before?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#50

Post by pjmlp »

balls187 wrote: post #27
chrisper wrote: post #25

Let me guess. It's going to be US only again as always even though I pay for it... (like my GPM subscription price is not cheaper because parts of it are not available)

It's in the article. Starting Tuesday, we're rolling out the new YouTube Music experience in the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, Mexico and South Korea*. It will expand more broadly in the coming weeks. We’ll also soon be launching in Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

As usual, just a few privileged European countries.

Looking forward for an EU wide law to force lazy US companies to either offer the service to everyone or not at all.

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