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Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by mac01021 »

komali2 wrote: post #86
Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

For everyone's amusement, can you let us know what he says? When I lived in Texas, the responses I got from my representatives were comically evil. Straight up bond villain.

What was the basic gist of the response?

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by a1369209993 »

baddox wrote: post #104
tzs wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here we don't have elections that matter because thanks to redistricting and gerrymandering, the outcome (along party lines) is well established. All that means is that the general election doesn't matter, and so you need to move your vote to whatever comes before the general election in your district to make it matter. 1. Register for the party that the redistricting and gerrymandering favors. 2. Vote in that part…

I’d like to hear an argument for why #1 might be dishonest. There is no definition of “registered Democrat” except for “someone who is registered as a Democrat.” I’m pretty sure you don’t have to sign anything claiming to believe in certain principles. I’m struggling to think of any way this could be considered dishonest.

Genuine question: is there anything (technically effective) to prevent someone from registering as both a democrat and a republican? And if not, are there any existing how-to guides I could signal-boost?

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by 0xfeba »

drawkbox wrote: post #108
bifrost wrote: post #42

Considering where this has been politically, this isn't going to change anything. And really all "killing" NN does is move this back to the FTC, where it was for a decade+

Internet is a utility now though and only the FCC can make network / internet a utility / common carrier. ISPs want it at the FTC for that reason, so it isn't seen as a utility, it is. Internet is as required as radio, phone, tv, water, electricity etc, it makes more sense under Title II and 80%+ of people support that. [1] > Americans embrace a Title II vision of internet service. A strong majority (88 percent, 48 p…

Hasn't and doesn't dial-up still fall under Title II?

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by pyromine »

a1369209993 wrote: post #122
baddox wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to hear an argument for why #1 might be dishonest. There is no definition of “registered Democrat” except for “someone who is registered as a Democrat.” I’m pretty sure you don’t have to sign anything claiming to believe in certain principles. I’m struggling to think of any way this could be considered dishonest.

Genuine question: is there anything (technically effective) to prevent someone from registering as both a democrat and a republican? And if not, are there any existing how-to guides I could signal-boost?

You can't be registered for multiple parties.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by tedunangst »

a1369209993 wrote: post #122
baddox wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to hear an argument for why #1 might be dishonest. There is no definition of “registered Democrat” except for “someone who is registered as a Democrat.” I’m pretty sure you don’t have to sign anything claiming to believe in certain principles. I’m struggling to think of any way this could be considered dishonest.

Genuine question: is there anything (technically effective) to prevent someone from registering as both a democrat and a republican? And if not, are there any existing how-to guides I could signal-boost?

Your voter registration record says which party you're in. The election official would likely make some inquiries if yours said "all of them" on it.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by comex »

a1369209993 wrote: post #122
baddox wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to hear an argument for why #1 might be dishonest. There is no definition of “registered Democrat” except for “someone who is registered as a Democrat.” I’m pretty sure you don’t have to sign anything claiming to believe in certain principles. I’m struggling to think of any way this could be considered dishonest.

Genuine question: is there anything (technically effective) to prevent someone from registering as both a democrat and a republican? And if not, are there any existing how-to guides I could signal-boost?

In general, your registered party is part of your state voter registration. Some states use that to determine which primary you can vote in (“closed primary”), while others let you choose a party at the time of voting (“open primary”). Either way, though, voting in both parties’ primaries is operated by the state as part of a unified process, at the same location; so it shouldn’t be possible to vote more than once.

If you’re in a caucus state, that process might be different; I’m not sure.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by bmelton »

a1369209993 wrote: post #122
baddox wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to hear an argument for why #1 might be dishonest. There is no definition of “registered Democrat” except for “someone who is registered as a Democrat.” I’m pretty sure you don’t have to sign anything claiming to believe in certain principles. I’m struggling to think of any way this could be considered dishonest.

Genuine question: is there anything (technically effective) to prevent someone from registering as both a democrat and a republican? And if not, are there any existing how-to guides I could signal-boost?

You 'register' as one, the other, or something different (L, Green, etc.) typically at the DMV or something like it. The selection there is a radio button, not a checkbox.

Of course, nothing prevents you from being a member of whatever party you want, though there are sometimes laws prohibiting when you can change your registration. Oftentimes, you're prohibited from changing your registered party affiliation within a month or so of the primaries.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by mikeash »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #40
andrewla wrote: post #5

This seems like the way that this should be addressed. The case against Net Neutrality was made almost strictly as a case of regulatory overreach and overly burdensome regulations that inherited irrelevant restrictions and unenforceable provisions designed for specific telecom use cases that don't apply to ISPs. The first issue is clearly addressed by a legislative approach -- it stops being regulatory overreach when…

I feel like the root problem is lack of competition at the ISP level. If we had that, net neutrality regulation would likely not be necessary. Instead we're trying to fix a bad regulatory environment with even more regulations.

I agree that lack of competition is the root problem. But it’s way harder to solve. We should not refrain from trying to fix symptoms of that while also working on the root cause.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by stonogo »

dragonwriter wrote: post #56
stonogo wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are pretending that a 'wave election' is a thing that people decide to do, instead of a label applied after the fact as a descriptive aid after the occurrence of the circumstances you describe. In other words, this is circular logic. In practice, heavily-gerrymandered districts rarely swing parties, and when they do, they almost always swing back.

You are pretending that there aren't circumstances that have an observed relation to systematic deviations from median election results that people can observe to understand that a wave election is more likely to happen in a particular election.

I'm not pretending it: I'm asserting it.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by exabrial »

The root issue is entrenched (literally and figuratively) local monopolies. We want Net Neutrality because we can't switch providers when our ISPs behave badly.

I think if they go after that issue think manner they will get the votes. However, I see them going after the regulatory route, which unlikely to be pass.

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