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HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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To be fair to many ICOs they don't make most of these claims. They are cherry picking the worst of the worst and presenting a straw man. I agree the crypto currency space is messed up but I think this could be done better.

> To be fair to many ICOs they don't make most of these claims. "Many" == 99%. There are no non-scam ICO's.... even the ones that aren't intentionally run as scams are, ultimately, scams. ICO's don't invest in a company, they "invest" in a brand new "currency" that somehow magically reflects the value of the "company" that created them. Why anybody would buy into this is beyond me...

There are security token ICOs which are not utility token ICOs.

Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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Couldn't find those stock images anywhere else. Some names are unique enough to be mistaken for someone legit. The site was announced today. The whitepaper was created on 2018-04-11 and the site was registered on 2018-03-08. So they probably spend a few months and 10k's $ on this scam project. This project only works "PR"-wise, because it is posted on social media. No unsuspecting investor is going to happen upon on…

ok like regardless of whether or not it educated me i had a pretty good chuckle. they're good memes brent.

brint

Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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> To be fair to many ICOs they don't make most of these claims. "Many" == 99%. There are no non-scam ICO's.... even the ones that aren't intentionally run as scams are, ultimately, scams. ICO's don't invest in a company, they "invest" in a brand new "currency" that somehow magically reflects the value of the "company" that created them. Why anybody would buy into this is beyond me...

There are security token ICOs which are not utility token ICOs.

> There are security token ICOs which are not utility token ICOs.

Ah so securities fraud instead of just plan vanilla fraud?

Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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I really want to meet the team at the SEC who put this together. The level of trolling the ICO community is incredible. Not sure if anyone else opened the white paper, but it is acutally better than most of the ICO papers I read in general. There are gems like: > "Upon a successful ICO, the nondisclosure agreements terminate and we will be able to disclose the largest network of travel partners" > "we expect a biddin…

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Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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Most people in the crypto community know that the majority of ICOs are illegal securities offerings. And by ‘in the community’ I mean people who run funds and regularly go to industry events with other fund managers, not people subscribed to random crypto subreddits. People in the industry generally know who is dirty and likely to get indicted.

What are some examples of ICOs that are not illegal securities offerings?

Whether or not it's an illegal security offering, I'm not entirely sure because I don't fully understand the law. However, a hypothetical example of one purported not to be illegal would be something like crowdfunding a game. You sell tokens that will be redeemed for a copy of the game when it is finished. This would allow people who change their mind half way through to freely sell their game token to someone else who wants to buy the game (presumably at a loss since otherwise the other person would just buy the game token from the developers). There are probably lots of places where you might get in trouble though. For example, if you increased the price of the token over time, then people might buy the initial token with the expectation that they will be able to sell it for a profit later, when the developer-bought token becomes more expensive. Especially if you state that the price will increase over time, I think you're going to be in trouble (but, like I said, I don't really understand that law).

I think such a scheme, if done carefully, might actually be useful. One of the problems with things like kickstarter is that you see the plan of what's going to be done, fund the project and then half way through you see that the plan has changed, or the delivery schedule has changed and you want out. There is no way to derisk your pre-purchase.

Having said that, I have seen no actual examples of ICOs that I think are legal.

Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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I just saw and clicked an ad for this ICO and it looks just like Howey Coin's site - https://icerockmining.io/en.html (I don't know whether this is a scam or not, i don't recommend investing or avoiding it, I just wanted to point out how similar the website looks to the howeycoins website! DYOR) (Being overly neutral for its own sake here, but it seems very questionable)

I'm surprised there isn't already a DIY ICO generator on GitHub.

I could swear there was an HN post recently to do exactly that.

Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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Don't make pages like this.

Just go after existing ICOs. Arrest people, prosecute people, go after people.

If it's China or whatever, collaborate with China. Chinese citizens are scammed as much as US ones.

Just arrest all the ICO scammers. Arrest the ERC token pumpers, arrest the exchanges.

Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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Most people in the crypto community know that the majority of ICOs are illegal securities offerings. And by ‘in the community’ I mean people who run funds and regularly go to industry events with other fund managers, not people subscribed to random crypto subreddits. People in the industry generally know who is dirty and likely to get indicted.

What are some examples of ICOs that are not illegal securities offerings?

While I don't know of any that have done this, an ICO could register their offering with the SEC, i.e. go public with all that entails, or operate within the exemptions from registration. I think their whole goal includes circumventing that stuff so as to lie better, which speaks to the attitudes and shadiness involved. The rules are indeed too onerous, but not only is the historical reason they came into existence still applicable, it's applicable to exactly this kind of scam.

Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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I really want to meet the team at the SEC who put this together. The level of trolling the ICO community is incredible. Not sure if anyone else opened the white paper, but it is acutally better than most of the ICO papers I read in general. There are gems like: > "Upon a successful ICO, the nondisclosure agreements terminate and we will be able to disclose the largest network of travel partners" > "we expect a biddin…

In its hubris the SEC forgot one thing, the most important thing, the only thing...yes the SEC knows the law well, but this is smart contracts, Case Law/precedent/stare decisis don’t apply to ICOs...the code is the law

Re: HoweyCoins – An educational tool to alert investors to possible fraud

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there’s a great npr interview with him. apparently he never owned more than $75 worth of doge at today’s value.

I made a genuine small profit mining Dogecoin back in the day. Between that and Litecoin I was able to make my two 400$ HD7970s pay for themselves, even after accounting for electricity. Edit: Wanted to add that the success (Well, maybe not 'success', but popularity) of Dogecoin should highlight the value of making things accessible. Not everything needs to be a silly meme, but making things fun and building a commun…

My 3 months of mining back in the day (aka heating my apartment with video cards instead of electric heaters) netted me about $4000 a few months ago. I found it hilarious.
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