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Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by philjohn » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:08 PM UTC

ComputerGuru wrote: post #20

Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

I'm presuming purple (being red + blue) means a district that could either way? Lucky you. Here we don't have elections that matter because thanks to redistricting and gerrymandering, the outcome (along party lines) is well established.

Not quite true.

If there is a wave election in November, gerrymandering backfires and ends up losing you more seats than you hope to gain through it. You pack the districts so that you win with 55% to 45%, except for a district here or there which will go 10% to 90%.

In a wave election, it only takes a shift of 5-6% in those gerrymandered districts for them to be lost.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by supertrope » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:08 PM UTC

Lionsion wrote: post #6

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

Can we not frontpage things that suggest happenings that aren't? As noted in the article itself, the House is not going to vote this way, and this is a largely pointless political drama thing. The headline is technically true, but has no meaningful effect whatsoever.

> the House is not going to vote this way Unless you have a working crystal ball, that's a prediction, not a fact . > and this is a largely pointless political drama thing Not true. The repeal of net neutrality is extraordinarily unpopular (including among Republicans) and all of the House is up for re-election this year. The Republicans may lose their majority. In my opinion, this has a better shot of getting throug…

The Republican Party is not only against regulations in general but they have explicitly come out against Net Neutrality rules. They (House Republicans) even made it part of their demands before the 2013 federal government shutdown: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/revealed-house-gops-de...

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by supertrope » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:10 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #15

dragontamer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things aren't addressed either. Because the House still needs to vote. Bicameral Legislative process in the USA. Laws need to be passed twice before they have any effect, and Trump has the (nearly) final say in the form of a presidential veto. Assuming the Democrats manage to vote as a bloc in the House, there still needs to be ~25 Republicans who switch sides on this issue. Net Neutrality is... for some reason... se…

Net neutrality is a "Democrat issue" because the companies who benefit from net neutrality primarily fund Democrats. The companies who benefit from it being repealed primarily fund Republicans.

As always, follow the money.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by Lionsion » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:10 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #18

Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

There are a lot of issues on the front burner right now that would fall in that bracket and net neutrality isn't the most pressing one by a very long shot so why would you let your vote hinge on that one issue?

> so why would you let your vote hinge on that one issue?

Single issue voters make policy, and this is a case where the small weight of my vote could tip a scale and actually accomplish something.

Plus, I hate our current state of extreme polarization, and I value politicians who have the independence to go against their party. If he'll do that, it's another aspect I'd like to reward.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by chx » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:14 PM UTC

supertrope wrote: post #22

Lionsion wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the House is not going to vote this way Unless you have a working crystal ball, that's a prediction, not a fact . > and this is a largely pointless political drama thing Not true. The repeal of net neutrality is extraordinarily unpopular (including among Republicans) and all of the House is up for re-election this year. The Republicans may lose their majority. In my opinion, this has a better shot of getting throug…

The Republican Party is not only against regulations in general but they have explicitly come out against Net Neutrality rules. They (House Republicans) even made it part of their demands before the 2013 federal government shutdown: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/revealed-house-gops-de...

Many opinions shift in five years.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:14 PM UTC

supertrope wrote: post #22

Lionsion wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the House is not going to vote this way Unless you have a working crystal ball, that's a prediction, not a fact . > and this is a largely pointless political drama thing Not true. The repeal of net neutrality is extraordinarily unpopular (including among Republicans) and all of the House is up for re-election this year. The Republicans may lose their majority. In my opinion, this has a better shot of getting throug…

The Republican Party is not only against regulations in general but they have explicitly come out against Net Neutrality rules. They (House Republicans) even made it part of their demands before the 2013 federal government shutdown: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/revealed-house-gops-de...

> They (House Republicans) even made it part of their demands before the 2013 federal government shutdown

Not the same people that are there now, and not the same political circumstances. It is unlikely but not impossible this will pass the House.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by wavefunction » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:20 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #12

Lionsion wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the House is not going to vote this way Unless you have a working crystal ball, that's a prediction, not a fact . > and this is a largely pointless political drama thing Not true. The repeal of net neutrality is extraordinarily unpopular (including among Republicans) and all of the House is up for re-election this year. The Republicans may lose their majority. In my opinion, this has a better shot of getting throug…

It's a "prediction" on the scale of how many months in advance I said Bernie Sanders was not going to be the next President of the United States. It's within the laws of physics for me to be wrong, but not a practical real world scenario here nonetheless. Only 35 Senators are up for reelection this year, I assume you meant the House, not "all of Congress". (Note that all of the House is up for reelection every electi…

>sane people will not hinge their vote on Internet politics. Things like healthcare, their views on whether or not killing babies is okay, if it's totally cool to be racist in 2018 or not, etc. will tend to take precedence. As those things should, because those things affect people's lives, not Google and Netflix's bandwidth bills.

Fortunately I can vote for all that by simply not supporting a single party in the US and voting for the other one. As far as I know there is no major party in the US that supports killing babies.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by hypothete » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:20 PM UTC

psychometry wrote: post #16

Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

So you're a single-issue voter, basically? How do you feel about all of the other things the GOP has been doing to this country?

Just because the parent claims to be a single-issue voter on the phone doesn't mean that that's true.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by sykh » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:21 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #18

Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

There are a lot of issues on the front burner right now that would fall in that bracket and net neutrality isn't the most pressing one by a very long shot so why would you let your vote hinge on that one issue?

Why do you presume that net neutrality isn’t among the most pressing for OP? There are few issues where a majority of both Republicans and Democrats both agree. It seems like a worthy issue to hinge a vote on.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:22 PM UTC

Lionsion wrote: post #24

jacquesm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of issues on the front burner right now that would fall in that bracket and net neutrality isn't the most pressing one by a very long shot so why would you let your vote hinge on that one issue?

> so why would you let your vote hinge on that one issue? Single issue voters make policy, and this is a case where the small weight of my vote could tip a scale and actually accomplish something. Plus, I hate our current state of extreme polarization, and I value politicians who have the independence to go against their party. If he'll do that, it's another aspect I'd like to reward.

Ok, I see. So this is the local equivalent for voting for a small party in a country with many more parties in the running for a coalition. That makes some sense, but at the same time it would mean that you are also voting for a lot of stuff that is reprehensible and probably against your own interest. Because once the votes are counted your vote will not be counted as a 'single issue' vote but as a total mandate for whatever that party is up to, they'll see their compromise on an issue that probably hardly moves the needle on their end as a clever tactic to get votes like yours.