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Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:48 PM UTC

mattnewton wrote: post #9

Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

This is, after all why they are doing it at all- you should 100% call your representative, not at all because the house will pass it or because Trump is going to sign this into law, but because you are validating that this should be part of the 2018 midterm election platforms to your representative. This is an issue that will get people out to the polls. Let’s prove it to them!

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Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:51 PM UTC

Lionsion wrote: post #6

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

Can we not frontpage things that suggest happenings that aren't? As noted in the article itself, the House is not going to vote this way, and this is a largely pointless political drama thing. The headline is technically true, but has no meaningful effect whatsoever.

> the House is not going to vote this way Unless you have a working crystal ball, that's a prediction, not a fact . > and this is a largely pointless political drama thing Not true. The repeal of net neutrality is extraordinarily unpopular (including among Republicans) and all of the House is up for re-election this year. The Republicans may lose their majority. In my opinion, this has a better shot of getting throug…

It's a "prediction" on the scale of how many months in advance I said Bernie Sanders was not going to be the next President of the United States. It's within the laws of physics for me to be wrong, but not a practical real world scenario here nonetheless.

Only 35 Senators are up for reelection this year, I assume you meant the House, not "all of Congress". (Note that all of the House is up for reelection every election term, and it doesn't change very quickly anyways.)

Most sane people will not hinge their vote on Internet politics. Things like healthcare, their views on whether or not killing babies is okay, if it's totally cool to be racist in 2018 or not, etc. will tend to take precedence. As those things should, because those things affect people's lives, not Google and Netflix's bandwidth bills.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by Horseshoe » Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:53 PM UTC

Lionsion wrote: post #6

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

Can we not frontpage things that suggest happenings that aren't? As noted in the article itself, the House is not going to vote this way, and this is a largely pointless political drama thing. The headline is technically true, but has no meaningful effect whatsoever.

> the House is not going to vote this way Unless you have a working crystal ball, that's a prediction, not a fact . > and this is a largely pointless political drama thing Not true. The repeal of net neutrality is extraordinarily unpopular (including among Republicans) and all of the House is up for re-election this year. The Republicans may lose their majority. In my opinion, this has a better shot of getting throug…

It's possible that GOP reps may let it slide just so it can't be used as a campaign issue by Dems for the midterms and later.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by mattnewton » Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:54 PM UTC

A lot of people are dismissing this as political theatre, but it serves a useful function as recording the names of everyone against reinstating net neutrality publically, so that challengers can make it a campaign issue in November. No, it probably isn’t going to pass the house, and smart money is on Trump vetoing it even if that miracle came to pass. However, Democrats are testing the waters for a campaign pledge, and some Republicans might notice. We absolutely want this represented in the midterm campaigns.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:56 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #7

andrewla wrote: post #5

This seems like the way that this should be addressed. The case against Net Neutrality was made almost strictly as a case of regulatory overreach and overly burdensome regulations that inherited irrelevant restrictions and unenforceable provisions designed for specific telecom use cases that don't apply to ISPs. The first issue is clearly addressed by a legislative approach -- it stops being regulatory overreach when…

Things aren't addressed either. Because the House still needs to vote. Bicameral Legislative process in the USA. Laws need to be passed twice before they have any effect, and Trump has the (nearly) final say in the form of a presidential veto. Assuming the Democrats manage to vote as a bloc in the House, there still needs to be ~25 Republicans who switch sides on this issue. Net Neutrality is... for some reason... se…

Net neutrality is a "Democrat issue" because the companies who benefit from net neutrality primarily fund Democrats. The companies who benefit from it being repealed primarily fund Republicans.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by psychometry » Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:58 PM UTC

Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

So you're a single-issue voter, basically? How do you feel about all of the other things the GOP has been doing to this country?

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by actsasbuffoon » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:00 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #7

andrewla wrote: post #5

This seems like the way that this should be addressed. The case against Net Neutrality was made almost strictly as a case of regulatory overreach and overly burdensome regulations that inherited irrelevant restrictions and unenforceable provisions designed for specific telecom use cases that don't apply to ISPs. The first issue is clearly addressed by a legislative approach -- it stops being regulatory overreach when…

Things aren't addressed either. Because the House still needs to vote. Bicameral Legislative process in the USA. Laws need to be passed twice before they have any effect, and Trump has the (nearly) final say in the form of a presidential veto. Assuming the Democrats manage to vote as a bloc in the House, there still needs to be ~25 Republicans who switch sides on this issue. Net Neutrality is... for some reason... se…

> for some reason

Legalized bribery. The phrase you're looking for is legalized bribery.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:02 PM UTC

Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

There are a lot of issues on the front burner right now that would fall in that bracket and net neutrality isn't the most pressing one by a very long shot so why would you let your vote hinge on that one issue?

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by Lionsion » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:03 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #12

Lionsion wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the House is not going to vote this way Unless you have a working crystal ball, that's a prediction, not a fact . > and this is a largely pointless political drama thing Not true. The repeal of net neutrality is extraordinarily unpopular (including among Republicans) and all of the House is up for re-election this year. The Republicans may lose their majority. In my opinion, this has a better shot of getting throug…

It's a "prediction" on the scale of how many months in advance I said Bernie Sanders was not going to be the next President of the United States. It's within the laws of physics for me to be wrong, but not a practical real world scenario here nonetheless. Only 35 Senators are up for reelection this year, I assume you meant the House, not "all of Congress". (Note that all of the House is up for reelection every electi…

> but not a practical real world scenario here nonetheless.

That is the kind of thinking that entrenches the status quo.

Close political fights are worth fighting because there's nothing to be gained by preemptively surrendering.

> Only 35 Senators are up for reelection this year, I assume you meant the House, not "all of Congress". (Note that all of the House is up for reelection every election term, and it doesn't change very quickly anyways.)

Yes, I meant the House. Noted and corrected. The Senate already passed the needed bill, so we're past that hurdle. The Republican caucus is vulnerable next election, many of the gerrymanders probably won't hold and they know it.

> Most sane people will not hinge their vote on Internet politics.

Single issue voters make policy.

Re: Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality

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Post by ComputerGuru » Wed, May 16, 2018, 9:06 PM UTC

Lionsion wrote: post #3

Time to call your Congressmen. I live in a purple district, and I'm going to make it clear to my Republican representative that: 1) I'm going to vote in November, 2) I will vote for him if he votes to keep the pre-existing title II net neutrality regulations, and against them if he does not, and 3) Net neutrality is even supported by a majority of Republican voters [1], so if he votes against it's clear he's voting a…

I'm presuming purple (being red + blue) means a district that could either way?

Lucky you. Here we don't have elections that matter because thanks to redistricting and gerrymandering, the outcome (along party lines) is well established.