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Re: Subways of the world, to scale

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't trust a Houstonian to interpret SF transit! MUNI light rail, subways, and buses handle most shorter trips within SF -- so Metrorail is more comparable to a mix of MUNI plus BART. (It's possible for visitors to the bay area, or even residents of outlying suburbs, to almost completely overlook MUNI trains. I know when I lived in Berkeley, and took BART into SF, I had no appreciation of all the places MUNI went, e…

Alright, so if I'm evaluating the benefits of adding an additional 20 miles of track length to the system, should I added at the low-density edges or the high-density core? How would you evaluate the benefits of the two options? He's said that the core option would get several times more ridership. And I'm sorry you bring up his city of residence. As a Texas-born New Yorker, I'm particularly sensitive to this fallaci…

Y'all need to take a chill pill. As I'm a New York-born, Houston-raised, SF resident, no ad hominem was intended, except to emphasize that outsiders can miss things obvious to a resident. That's why I also mentioned that even when I lived in Berkeley, and took BART to SF regularly, I didn't understand MUNI.

The link you provided overlooked the key fact that SF has another system that's far more like SF's version of DC's Metrorail: MUNI -- even though the MUNI cars and payment-mechanism doesn't look as much like Metrorail as BART does.

The idea of extending BART to provide more central-city service isn't even considered, because the BART system was created primarily to serve regional, long-haul, city-to-city needs. BART is the LIRR or PATH trains, not the MTA subways, of the bay area.

The internal SF system at the dense core is being extended -- a controversial new 'Central Subway' from Chinatown to CalTrain/SOMA -- and it will be part of MUNI, not BART.

And you pointing out that the California state government isn't high-functioning? Well, that's just mean. Fortunately, as an authentic Tex-Yorker, I have a tough skin and am not particularly sensitive to such slights.

Re: Subways of the world, to scale

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a design issue: as I scrolled down the page, at half way I was confused if the city name was associated with the map on top of it or below it. of course I could have scrolled back to find out which was which, but it seemed a poor design if I had to do that.

Re: Subways of the world, to scale

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Including the S-Bahn of Berlin but not the RER of Paris or the S-Bahn of Munich looks like an arbitrary decision. Yes, I know the shapes of the pantographs differ, but that's not relevant to me at that scale.

Agreed that the decision about what above-ground rail to include seems very arbitrary. The Tokyo map seems to only include the "subway" lines, for example, while the JR rail lines serve the same function + even share stations within the city limits.

55% of the London Underground is above ground: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground

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[2004] Some are seriously dated. For example Valencia http://www.metrovalencia.es/planos.php?page=103

If we're sticking with Spain, then Madrid seems also to be outdated http://www.metromadrid.es/export/sites/metro/comun/documento... and so does Barcelona http://www.tmb.net/es_ES/barcelona/moute/planols/planoxarxam...

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As for the effects of these differences in layouts, here's an interesting analysis of SF Bart vs. DC Metro, which finds the DC network-style system far more effective - 2.5x the ridership for the same track length ( http://www.ctchouston.org/intermodality/2006/05/06/tale-of-t... ) I'm not sure what institutional reason leads Bart to continue expanding outward, rather than running new tunnels in SF proper, but it does…

From what I understand, BART is not meant to be a local subway type system. It's heavy rail for moving between different cities in the greater Bay Area. It just happens to have several stops in SF. (Thus the acronym Bay Area Rapid Transit).

MUNI is the equivalent of subway/bus in SF (though how well it handles that job is up for debate).

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