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Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by mrbill »

skate22 wrote: post #442
mrbill wrote: post #338

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I've never heard that! But then I've only experienced Texas Masonry. Here, we tell you to come on down and hang out on our unofficial "study nights", where we sit around, have pizza, and guys go off in small groups to study the ritual memorization work. The "new guys" or people who are interested hang out in our cafeteria, get a tour of the building, etc, and just ask questions, get to know the guys, and so forth. We…

How are the membership numbers changing over time? I only ask because of the religous aspect of the organization. I know a lot of the youth are not very religous (compared to previous generations). I really like the community aspect, but the ties to christianity would definitely be a blocker for a lot of people i know age 20-30

Trending downwards, just like any social fraternity (OddFellows, etc). People are more interested in going online these days than having to attend actual meetings and so forth. The Masons' peak membership was in the 1950s.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by rootlocus »

chickenfries wrote: post #123

> However, I am glad that I caught it early before we hired him. If we had hired him, tough to say what could have happened. Maybe he would have been great and our best performing AE. Maybe he wouldn’t have even known how to log into Salesforce. When you make it to the top by lying, you're considered a winner: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-goldman-gary-cohn-got-to-... > "I lied to him all the way to the airport,…

You forgot to cite the continuation:

> In that period of time, I read McMillan's "Options as a Strategic Investment"book. It's like the Bible of options trading."

Which is pretty laudable.

An even extraordinary example would be the current president of the united states, which still manages to lie, and people still support him.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by rootlocus »

Stratoscope wrote: post #316
lovich wrote: post #302

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as an aside to the conversation. I am continuing to get up an down votes on this comment, long after the comment I replied to was flagged. 'dang, are votes queued up in the hacker news system or is there another reason for this behavior?

People who have "showdead" enabled in their profile can see flagged or dead comments and their replies, and can vote on those replies. As an example, I just upvoted your comment that I'm replying to. Turn on "showdead" in your profile and you will see what I'm referring to.

I have "showdead" enabled, I see the comment, but I can't vote.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by mrbill »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #450
mrbill wrote: post #259

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FYI - a Stated Meeting at a Masonic Lodge is basically Robert's Rules of Order, with a little more pomp and circumstance and fancy titles and "jeweled collars" (felt and chromed pot metal) for the officer positions. Being a Mason and speaking in front of an entire Lodge helped me get over my fear of public speaking - because everyone else in the room had been through the exact same scenario, and nobody was going to m…

>are based around the allegory of the craftsmen that built King Solomon's Temple, // Interesting, so it's not an ancient society but a modern one fully cognisant of its fiction? I thought Masonry was founded on a real belief that it was a successor through time of a group of actual people building an actual temple. Is it in the records of your society who created the fiction and why they based it on Jewish history? I…

Check out this bit on "Operative" vs "Speculative" Masonry, it addresses your question pretty well:

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/operativev.html

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by gkya »

yborg wrote: post #287
njharman wrote: post #275

> He impressed each interviewer with his knowledge and passion for the brand, his sales acumen, outbound hunter mentality, and overall presence. > Our Catfish never faltered, kept a smile on his face the entire time, and did his homework. We even talked about sales operations, discussed the pros and cons of MEDDIC, and talked about Salesforce workflows. I mean, this guy was pretty good. Sounds like they were an excel…

A great candidate that would place a large knife into you and your company's back at the first opportunity. This guy's name should have been in the article to save the rest of the industry a little bit of time ... and the guy would probably get some job offers from the people who read this and thought "excellent candidate!". The hiring company should also then publicize this excellent hire so the industry can see wha…

"This guy's name should have been in the article to save the rest of the industry a little bit of time ..."

Gotta love lynching when it is not physical... One mistake and he should be metaphorically crucified, or marked on the forehead. That is all that is wrong withbthe society there. How can it be possible at all that he learn from this experience anyways!!?

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by evrydayhustling »

sheepmullet wrote: post #396
evrydayhustling wrote: post #122

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It's not just unethical, it's impractical, and the same reason applies to your take-home tests: if the first thing your employer asks you to do is something you want to outsource, what makes you think the tenth thing they ask you to do will be better? It's fair to be annoyed when hiring managers shift costs of filtering over to candidates. If it really bothers you, might be a sign to avoid that company culture entire…

> what makes you think the tenth thing they ask you to do will be better? What makes you think the interview process is indicative of the work environment? Most of the time it isn't. I've worked at quite a few great places that had ridiculous interview processes.

Ok so there is a work environment you respect and want to be part of, but there is an interview process in the way that you feel has nothing to do with the work environment and wastes your time, so deceiving them is self defense. Is outsourcing the take home test the only version of that which is ok, or is resume pumping etc ok too?

(This is meant to be pointed, because I disagree, but not rhetorical - I'm genuinely interested in understanding the happy path end to end for this strategy.)

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by dvtv75 »

seunosewa wrote: post #421
dvtv75 wrote: post #377

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I worked in a film processing store (before the turn of the century), and one of my workmates there told me how he'd set up a friend to pretend to be a former boss for him. Said friend forgot, my workmate was called in to the business and they told him they would ring the police if they ever heard his name again. Apparently there was swearing. Same guy found a mobile phone and rang some random number in Australia. Ra…

Will you report him to the school to save potential patients’ lives?

Well, it was almost 20 years ago and I only heard about it long after I'd forgotten his name. Without an actual conviction, I don't think my word would carry much weight and could just cause me a lot of trouble.

Hopefully he's grown up a lot since then, but if he hasn't I can't imagine that kind of stupidity could be hidden forever.

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Post by gjulianm »

rando444 wrote: post #404
pjc50 wrote: post #398

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Next time someone says technical hiring is not hiring quite so many women or minorities because it's purely meritocratic, I'm going to point them at this post.

(1) Networking and building a reputation for yourself will always have value. (2) Most of the things that he's listed are merits. Being involved in his community, having a strong verifiable previous job history with good references, etc. (3) Having a good job history, making friends, and being involved in online and offline communities are not things limited to white males.

You are completely missing the parent's point. They say that this is one of the examples where hires are not performed 100% based on merit but that existing networks and references are an important aspect, without denying that this person did not have the merits to be hired.

Also, yes, good job histories, friends and communities are not limited to white males. But they have a strong component of inertia: if those communities, jobs and friend networks have something in common (e.g., gender) it is only normal that they attract persons with that trait and therefore the bias persists. Changing that is difficult and takes time and effort.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by mkirklions »

watwut wrote: post #431
rando444 wrote: post #404

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(1) Networking and building a reputation for yourself will always have value. (2) Most of the things that he's listed are merits. Being involved in his community, having a strong verifiable previous job history with good references, etc. (3) Having a good job history, making friends, and being involved in online and offline communities are not things limited to white males.

Speaking about meritocracy. 1.) We laughed, shook hands and they headhunted me away The headhunt started on very little information - basically on how he laugh and shakes of hand. Had likely proved himself later, but it was all was on instant first impression - where biases matter most. 2.) Freemason How is that related to merit in tech? Yes, similar "we have thing in common" bias happen everywhere (and may advantage…

>no matter how much tech people like to pretend real world is meritocracy.

We are talking highly technical people, what merit did OP not have?

It sounded like OP had 2 decades of experience in his niche.

I really dont care if I hire men, women, or any race. I really dont. As long as you show up and get the job done, wonderful. Many people disappoint and my current contractor is a white male, and I dont care.

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