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How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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I submitted this because I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible. I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. So my oatmeal breakfast is bad now and I should go back to bacon and eggs? sigh. Has anyone tried this paleo business, and to what effect? edit: and more importantly, I should have added, is there science behind it? Shame on me.

I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible It isn't credible. The article claims that removing grains from your diet will prevent "Infertility, Type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, vitiligo, narcolepsy, schizophrenia, autism, depression, huntington's, non-hodgkin's lymphoma, hypothyrodism, and porphyria". This would be pretty astonishing if it were true... especi…

The article does not claim that at all. In fact, it says:

Here is a short list of the problems associated with leaky gut and the autoimmune response

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I submitted this because I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible. I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. So my oatmeal breakfast is bad now and I should go back to bacon and eggs? sigh. Has anyone tried this paleo business, and to what effect? edit: and more importantly, I should have added, is there science behind it? Shame on me.

It's nonsensical faddish bullshit. Some ( So maybe Mr Ferris has this problem. That doesn't mean that everyone else does, though this isn't the first time I've seen someone with a digestive condition go on a crusade about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. I suggest you listen to your own body instead of attention-seeking pundits. We…

Get yourself a first-year nursing textbook on nutrition instead.

Any particular books you recommend?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible It isn't credible. The article claims that removing grains from your diet will prevent "Infertility, Type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, vitiligo, narcolepsy, schizophrenia, autism, depression, huntington's, non-hodgkin's lymphoma, hypothyrodism, and porphyria". This would be pretty astonishing if it were true... especi…

What I was more wondering if there is credible info elsewhere, like the book (I've never read it). Agreed the claims seem far fetched.

Check out the success stories at the http://www.marksdailyapple.com forums . The site also has hundreds of articles on everything about the diet and lifestyle.

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> DINNER: Grilled salmon, roasted green beans, side salad Aren't green beans legumes?

It's not black/white but they're generally classed as vegetables, and they don't have the nutritional problems of bona fide legumes.

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Here's the problem with diet studies in general - they take ages to pan out. Because of that, there's varying degrees of belief in whether or not something is correct or incorrect, and even in cases where some breakthrough has been made, it takes ages to determine whether or not the choice was a correct one or not. This is the same reason why certain food products sales largely come down to packaging - how can I real…

Which is why the message in The Paleo Soltuion makes sense: "Eat real food". Any food that has an ingredients list likely also contains sugar, salt, and/or ingredients with names that you cannot pronounce.

I think you also have to take a bit of a longer term picture. How you feel immediately afterwards is important, but days, weeks are important too. I would advise people to read this book, and give it a try for 30 days. If, after 30 days you decided to start eating your grains again, you might find like I did that inflammation becomes quite noticeable (such as achy joints).

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Do a search on the Internet and you'll find more arguments - from highly credentialed doctors and nutritionists along with plenty of unqualified 'diet fundamentalists' - for and against the idea that gluten is the culprit behind so many health issues. Personally, I really DO feel fine on a largely Mediterranean diet complete with plenty of bread and pasta. I'm also fit and actually underweight (according to BMI calcu…

The real choice here is whether to live with an "average diet" and thus face average risk rates, or experiment on yourself and try to improve your chances.

Paleo targets overall health, not specifically fat reduction or cardiovascular health. That means that one of its goals is to reduce or eliminate things like long-term degenerative diseases or psychological problems, things which we decided, a long, long time ago, to accept as "natural occurrences" that are manageable only with medication, and not issues of dietary intake. This is a bold goal, of course, so it's right to be skeptical. If it really works, it can be tested. Our bias against the radical ideas comes from only being able to look backwards a few generations of people, all of whom have had largely the same diet. It is only fairly recently that we've gotten this explosion of experimental diet strategies, aided by new research and more diverse food availability. I'm into trying them as a kind of hobby and form of general life-improvement, myself, and for people who suffer from diseases with no known medicinal cure, it offers a lot of hope.

If we are looking only for a culprit for late-twentieth-century obesity, gluten doesn't enter into it. Instead we should look towards the changes in average diet over that time - i.e. increased intake of carbs, refined(fiberless) carbs, and carbs from sugar, and a shift away from animal fats and pressed crude vegetable oils towards solvent-extracted and refined vegetable oils. To explain a broad effect in the population, one has to look towards broad changes, and those are the main things that have changed.

Side note: The popular tendency to emphasize vegetables and/or fruits in diet holds a lot of commercial appeal(since fresh plant foods have difficult, expensive storage logistics, making them more prestigious, and fruits can have their sugar concentrated with drying or juicing, turning them into easily-saleable vice goods) but it's a form of feel-good bikeshedding. The "80% of the problem" issues are different, broader, and harder to completely solve: ideal fats/carbs/protein balance, recognition of allergies, intolerances, and toxicity, and price/time/quality/sustainability ratios. A real solution to those things needs both top-down cooperation and bottom-up education.

I personally haven't seen a huge difference in trying gluten/caesin-free, except possibly for withdrawal symptoms that cumulate in the devouring of multiple bowls of milk and cereal. I may try it again in the future, but while I can usually avoid gluten, I find it particularly hard to get rid of dairy; it helps calm down coffee's acidity, and cheese is one of my preferred snacks when out of the house.

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I'm curious if there are societies or cultures that eat significantly less grain than others. Surely looking at a large population's diet and finding a correlation to the diseases mentioned could shed some light into his claims...

The Inuits of North America. Lifespan of Inuits - http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/mortality-and-...

Cancer in Inuit Populations - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18760245

Cardio-Vascular-Disease - http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/83/6/S1483.pdf

Fat Metabolism in Alaskan Eskimoes - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15427668

Just some.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Do a search on the Internet and you'll find more arguments - from highly credentialed doctors and nutritionists along with plenty of unqualified 'diet fundamentalists' - for and against the idea that gluten is the culprit behind so many health issues. Personally, I really DO feel fine on a largely Mediterranean diet complete with plenty of bread and pasta. I'm also fit and actually underweight (according to BMI calcu…

The obesity epidemic as we know, where most people over 30 or so are overweight or obese, is new, but "diseases of civilization" such as diabetes and atherosclerosis aren't. See Good Calories, Bad Calories for details.

As for the timing of the obesity epidemic, HFCS hit the market in 1975. Coincidence? Our diets became a lot less paleo when they started putting that in everything.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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I started the paleo diet about 6 months ago. In that time I lost about 18kg of fat easier than any other diet I have ever been on. My blood lipids (I was about to start statins for cholesterol) have all improved dramatically in this time, to the point where my doctor is now incredibly interested in the topic. My psoriasis and eczema have all cleaned up dramatically. The crossfit gym I go to has seen massive improveme…

I think it's irresponsible to recommend a diet to people that has little to no scientific support for the kinds of effects that you promise or imply: weight loss, improved physical and mental health, and longevity. In fact, some possible instantiations of the paleo diet are, I believe, currently considered unhealthy by the medical establishment, such as a diet high in saturated fats, cholesterol, and/or red meats.

I notice that none of your references have any serious qualifications to be giving nutritional advice. The most rigorously argued of your sources - "Good Calories, Bad Calories" - is written by a science journalist. The scientific establishment has spend decades and billions of dollars trying to understand nutrition, and these people think they can figure it out by thinking hard and reading some papers?

Morover, you can find equally convincing arguments, anecdotes, and "experts" for any of: vegetarianism, raw foodism, veganism, low-carb, etc. What makes the paleo diet different?

You can experiment with your own body all you want, but giving drastic dietary advice on such flimsy evidence seems pretty reckless.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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I submitted this because I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible. I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. So my oatmeal breakfast is bad now and I should go back to bacon and eggs? sigh. Has anyone tried this paleo business, and to what effect? edit: and more importantly, I should have added, is there science behind it? Shame on me.

It's nonsensical faddish bullshit. Some ( So maybe Mr Ferris has this problem. That doesn't mean that everyone else does, though this isn't the first time I've seen someone with a digestive condition go on a crusade about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. I suggest you listen to your own body instead of attention-seeking pundits. We…

Sigh. This is the opposite of "faddish bullshit". Because it is packaged as a book, with the word "diet" in the title, people assume that it must be some fad.

People with Coeliac disease react to, and have trouble digesting gluten. However, just because you might not get diarrhoea from eating wheat does not mean that the lectins in grain aren't causing you problems. I can eat wheat fine, I grew up eating lots of bread. However, I do better on a grain free paleo diet -- as do many people.

From the Article:

Some of you, however, may think you have no issues here. You have eaten grains, legumes, and dairy your whole life and are “fine.” Well, maybe. But I suspect that is not the case. I’ll bet that if you completely remove these Neolithic foods from your diet for one month, you will notice a dramatic improvement in how you feel and perform. Why? Because if you are consuming these foods, I’ll wager you have gut irritation and other systemic inflammation issues.

Also, you say: "We all need some mix of protein, carbohydrates, fiber, lipids and vitamins". That's not true -- there is no such thing as a required carbohydrate.

Finally -- please read "Good Calories, Bad Calories" to get a full understanding of how conventional wisdom (such as what is taught in nursing, and even medicine) is completely messed up.

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