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I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore

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Re: I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore

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This is a thing that's bugged me for a long time: the death of dedicated game servers. Game servers had to be run by communities, and they were gateways and feeding grounds for those communities. However, games don't typically use dedicated servers anymore; they use matchmaking. You're right -- matchmaking means you gather your friends first. More insidiously, it means you probably won't see the same players again, a…

That's good and bad. Good: You can finally play the game as it was meant to be. You could not find a decent server in CS 1.6 where you could play 5v5. You need additional sites/communities/XYZ (e.g. ESL) to play it. Similar with TF2 in the early days. Also, bad admins can't kick you anymore because you use a weapon they don't like. I could forgive such behaviour, but as games introduced some leveling or other statist…

The leveling and statistical stuff is so lame anyway. I feel like CS and TF, the point was to dick around and shoot people. It was cool because you bought half-life and could play these two totally different games (we referred to them as “total conversions” at the time).

The ranking stuff is all just trying to capitalize on esports, which is weird because the vast majority will never be that good anyway. It’s a big part of what makes various communities toxic rather than fun. Playing a game where winning doesn’t really matter vs. people dreaming of being paid to play video games. It’s turning something that was a fun sort of power fantasy to kill time in, into something misconstrued as a profession. (In the same way an average guy might believe Himself of the quality to play DB for the colts, without the ability to discern the obvious physical differences between himself and a guy who is 6’5”, can bench 450 pounds and run 30 miles an hour. It actively creates these sort of mean/ delusional types who are harder to laugh off than they would be in another arena.

Re: I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore

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> Why don’t we just start a forum for the HN crowd? So HN doesn't count?

HN is quite different from forums because of the temporal nature of the content, the voting, and the threaded comments. Forums can foster very long running discussions, HN isn't really meant for that. Also, there are all the components of user profiles/messaging/signatures/etc that HN completely omits (which is totally fine, but something forums are known for that HN probably will never have).

> Forums can foster very long running discussions

This. This is the element the 'modern web' has forgotten in its rush to 'new', 'realtime' and 'current' content.

Just because a conversation happened weeks (or months, or years) ago doesn't mean it's not relevant now. Google search results appear to favour 'fresh' over 'stale'; yet it doesn't say the content is any better, or more useful to me.

Hacker news has some awesome threads and knowledgeable people, but the threads and comments are buried in the archive. Add a comment to an old thread and no one reads it or responds. Which is the HN community's loss.

Blog comments were another: I had discussions that spanned multiple years, as people found it of interest and joined in. Because I wrote for engagement, not for pageviews.

Unless people regain a sense of place in time and realise that immediate doesn't trump everything else, I don't see us going back to longer-term discussions.

Re: I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore

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I think a lot of people here are missing the point. Yeah, there's a lot more content to consume now. However, it doesn't feel like a community... it feels more like watching reruns on TBS. I remember making actual friends on message boards. Friends I eventually met in the real world. I don't think relationships like that are really formed anymore. Most of social media now is a broadcast, not a conversation. People (m…

A lot of message boards are still going strong 15~20 years later though.

I’m still an active part of one after 12 years. Meeting a German friend from there tomorrow irl for the first time in 10 years.

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Nothing I've found on the internet has yet replaced the sublime excitement I felt when dialing into a local BBS in a small town in California when I was a kid. There were maybe 4-5 people on at a time, but I still remember the total thrill of chatting with them and imagining who they might be, where in town they lived, what they looked like. Oh, and how much money I could make in Tradewars that day. My biggest questi…

Some of the best experiences were posting under a handle on a local gaming site and combining being a sarcastic troll with decent contributions to the forum, as well as writing game reviews for the parent web site.

That online community fostered involvement in an RL community through holding LAN gaming events on a weekend, or hanging out with other forum members at a few bars around town. I think you're spot on that localisation is key. I'd go on the world wide web and end up talking trash with a bunch of dudes who lived at most 60km away.

Re: I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore

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I think a lot of people here are missing the point. Yeah, there's a lot more content to consume now. However, it doesn't feel like a community... it feels more like watching reruns on TBS. I remember making actual friends on message boards. Friends I eventually met in the real world. I don't think relationships like that are really formed anymore. Most of social media now is a broadcast, not a conversation. People (m…

Depends when you came, some folk are only just discovering online discourse.

I'm a member of 'a' forum, and it still fosters conversation. To me it feels similar to an old usenet 'channel'.

I'll admit it's not as zany and anonymous as it perhaps once felt. Back then we rather foolishly thought it was more ephemeral. I blush when glancing old posts. Such is - I guess.

Re: I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore

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Dude, I've been on reddit since 2006 and I don't even have 1000 karma. Don't exclude the lurkers! (Who are too busy programming to post.)

Maybe you are right but how to prevent it from becoming a sales/recruitement/troll/showoff fest again?

I think that's what mods are for. At least back in the day that's how it worked. Of course some mods will abuse their powers and just do stupid stuff but in the end that's part of what made it so fun. You had to iterate through dozens of forums and hope that yours had a fighting chance because the mods did their job properly.

Re: I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore

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I too have experienced cyber-ennui, mindlessly half entering website addresses into my navbar. Cn-enter. Ha-enter. Fa-enter. Eng-enter. What am I even reading, I don't really care about the latest drone or how to optimize my website using Lambda and API gateway, and yet, despite keeping my IDE open so "there is no excuse", I just can't help but succumb to the mindless ether...

I've thought about this a bit and I feel like anything worth doing requires hours of my concentration, which I don't usually have. Bite sized chunks of knowledge 'productivity' feels like an accomplishment, or, at least serves as a facsimile. The internet is, in some ways, like an artificial sweetener -- it tastes sweet but never actually satisfies you.

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This is exactly how I've felt for the past few years. Besides Facebook, I think a large part of it is not being quite as young and open to new things. E.g. I'm under 30 but I never got into Youtube, I don't even know how to find good content on it.

There is an astonishing amount of good content on youtube. In the last 3 or so years it has blossomed into something of a renaissance and begun to grow into what I always kind of hoped "citizen content" could be. To my mind it is the most obviously beneficial of all of those "web 2.0" companies. Do you like jet engines? Prepare to lose the rest of your day watching AgentJayZ talking about his job repairing jet engine…

I've never gotten into YouTube either, so thanks for all the names.

One thing old, more-closed communities did well was curation. I needed your curation to propel me into YouTube because I've been before and there's so much crap (and by crap I mean the slick stuff designed for viewing, to make $$$)

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I think the internet is less fun now -- I can't decide if its from maturation of technology or maturation of people though. (Has anyone else felt like things became less fun as they got older?) I felt a greater sense of community 10 years ago when I mostly used IRC and PHP BBs. The communities were smaller, and it was fun even if you disliked people. Flame wars and trolling were mostly for the audience's amusement, b…

I’ve actually been thinking about this recently, as I was also a heavy forum user back in the day. Why don’t we just start a forum for the HN crowd? Not a new interpretation of the forum model or anything like that, literally any instance of vbulletin or phpbb or something comparable and “traditional”. If people are genuinely interested in this, I would be up for spinning something up over the weekend.

I think it's a really good idea. At least the spirit of it is correct - HN is a unique community which really helps me crowdsource a lot of wisdom and knowledge, and I think the pseudonymity and ephemerality is a feature more than a bug, but, it would be great to have longer running discussions that aren't swiftly superseded by the next days hot posts, and to have the freedom to post things/quesetions without the fear of getting drowned out (because on HN/reddit you have to be conscious of what is likely to get enough upvotes to even be seen)
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