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Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by ekianjo »

Aloha wrote: post #18
paulmd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disappointing, but unfortunately not surprising. They have been winding down their film production for a while now. First it was Astia and some of the oddball LF sizes, then it was FP100C in 4x5, then the 3x4, then FP3000B, and it just keeps rolling on. I've been expecting this for a while and have a good stash of film tucked away that will carry me for quite a while. I have about 150 rolls of various slide films in…

If no one is buying it - or not enough to sustain production, its going to go away.

If you dont invest in your products what do you expect? Film sales are actually on the rise globally and Fujifilm is just letting everyone down.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by adventured »

mathattack wrote: post #5
lunaru wrote: post #4

Can anyone close to the Xerox/Fujifilm situation comment on why this matters/doesn't matter/is relevant?

Two old tech companies want to merge. An activist investor blocked this, figuring there is more to be made milking the technology on the way down. This can happen in software too.

Icahn isn't looking to milk the technology on the way down. He's looking for a higher priced flip near-term.

Xerox is going to very likely immediately move into an auction sale. They'll probably find a higher valuation for the sale in the next quarter or two.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/14/xerox-abandons-planned-deal-...

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-44104809

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by BarkMore »

ekianjo wrote: post #30
ricardobeat wrote: post #20

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Make the move to digital. Their cameras and lenses are nothing short of amazing, and the sensors are tuned to replicate all of their film variants.

If you do medium format there is not really much choice for medium digital format. And lets not even talk about large format. The world of photography goes beyond 35mm.

There's limited choice, but Fuji provides one of those choices (http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/gfx/index.h...).

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by calypso »

paulmd wrote: post #12
calypso wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I even use their film still. Granted they are discontinuing most of their film lines this year but still a very relevant company, especially with their mirrorless cameras

Disappointing, but unfortunately not surprising. They have been winding down their film production for a while now. First it was Astia and some of the oddball LF sizes, then it was FP100C in 4x5, then the 3x4, then FP3000B, and it just keeps rolling on. I've been expecting this for a while and have a good stash of film tucked away that will carry me for quite a while. I have about 150 rolls of various slide films in…

I made the switch over to film from years of shooting digital. I’ve fallen in love with the colours and contrast that the Fuji films give. The blues and greens really pop but overall it’s a muted colour palette - love it.

I can see why they are doing this and Kodak isn’t but it is sad. I’ll probably end up buying up a bunch of Fujifilm and freezing it as well. A lot of the film from Fuji I see in stores is set to expire late 2019.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by jacquesm »

paulmd wrote: post #12
calypso wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I even use their film still. Granted they are discontinuing most of their film lines this year but still a very relevant company, especially with their mirrorless cameras

Disappointing, but unfortunately not surprising. They have been winding down their film production for a while now. First it was Astia and some of the oddball LF sizes, then it was FP100C in 4x5, then the 3x4, then FP3000B, and it just keeps rolling on. I've been expecting this for a while and have a good stash of film tucked away that will carry me for quite a while. I have about 150 rolls of various slide films in…

You may want to invest in a generator as well in case your power ever goes out (and an auto-start and automatic transfer switch to go with it). That would be a waste to lose and a lot harder to replace than a freezer full of food.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by jacquesm »

adventured wrote: post #32
mathattack wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two old tech companies want to merge. An activist investor blocked this, figuring there is more to be made milking the technology on the way down. This can happen in software too.

Icahn isn't looking to milk the technology on the way down. He's looking for a higher priced flip near-term. Xerox is going to very likely immediately move into an auction sale. They'll probably find a higher valuation for the sale in the next quarter or two. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/14/xerox-abandons-planned-deal-... http://www.bbc.com/news/business-44104809

Icahn is sort of an anti Buffett.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by ekianjo »

BarkMore wrote: post #33
ekianjo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do medium format there is not really much choice for medium digital format. And lets not even talk about large format. The world of photography goes beyond 35mm.

There's limited choice, but Fuji provides one of those choices ( http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/gfx/index.h... ).

I am well aware of that. But its not even real medium format. There is no camera with digital sensor of 6x7 actual size out there. what you have instead is digital backs that adapt on older film cameras.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by rangibaby »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #29
calypso wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I even use their film still. Granted they are discontinuing most of their film lines this year but still a very relevant company, especially with their mirrorless cameras

I buy hundreds of dollars of their instant camera film packs per year. I hope nothing happens to that.

Instax is doing great. They are discontinuing other sizes of film.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by toomanybeersies »

jacquesm wrote: post #35
paulmd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disappointing, but unfortunately not surprising. They have been winding down their film production for a while now. First it was Astia and some of the oddball LF sizes, then it was FP100C in 4x5, then the 3x4, then FP3000B, and it just keeps rolling on. I've been expecting this for a while and have a good stash of film tucked away that will carry me for quite a while. I have about 150 rolls of various slide films in…

You may want to invest in a generator as well in case your power ever goes out (and an auto-start and automatic transfer switch to go with it). That would be a waste to lose and a lot harder to replace than a freezer full of food.

Unlike food, film will survive being defrosted and refrozen, as long as it's kept dry.

Film doesn't even need to be cold-stored unless you're wanting to store it long term. It should last until the expiry date (usually a year or two) at room temperature without any ill effects.

Re: Xerox calls off $6.1B sale to Fujifilm

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Post by sho »

ekianjo wrote: post #37
BarkMore wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's limited choice, but Fuji provides one of those choices ( http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/gfx/index.h... ).

I am well aware of that. But its not even real medium format. There is no camera with digital sensor of 6x7 actual size out there. what you have instead is digital backs that adapt on older film cameras.

> There is no camera with digital sensor of 6x7 actual size

Well .. true, but mostly because that is a HUGE size for a digital sensor. The only "medium" format digital I'm familiar with is the pentax 645, it is smaller than that old film and yet still 50MP (!). The tech will only improve.

I wouldn't hold your breath for any sensor of the size of the old film you're talking about. There's a certain threshold above which there are diminishing returns. I suppose there are some cinema sensors being made at 70mm but they are very niche and ruinously expensive. My money might be on the 645 size becoming standard, and it's a reasonable one.

> not even real medium format

To be fair there is no "real" medium format. It basically means "bigger than 35mm".

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