In my opinion: - designing your resume - EQ - having a deep, enthusiastic, and genuine interest in some aspect of the company - Think of your resume like a poem - visual representation of their experience/resume These are great criteria for hiring a designer or marketing personnel, but these are TERRIBLE criteria for hiring a technical person. In my fantasy world, a technical resume is in a monospaced font and is emi…
I took a resume like this to the career center at my university and got out of that appointment with a lot of disappointment.
What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
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Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#62In my opinion: - designing your resume - EQ - having a deep, enthusiastic, and genuine interest in some aspect of the company - Think of your resume like a poem - visual representation of their experience/resume These are great criteria for hiring a designer or marketing personnel, but these are TERRIBLE criteria for hiring a technical person. In my fantasy world, a technical resume is in a monospaced font and is emi…
Most of us aren't on the cutting edge of technology. I've personally never worked on a team whose biggest problem was a lack of technical prowess, the problems are always social/cultural.
But good practices and clean code habits are older than that.
Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#63I remember interviewing for a place and the recruiter thought he was an expert coder since he knew some buzz words. He was saying they wanted someone with SPA experience AND was able to build REST API's. I spent thirty minutes trying to convince him that NodeJS runs on servers and I've been a back-end JavaScript developer writing large REST APIs and back-end services. He was convinced JavaScript only runs on browsers and I was full of shit.
That was at a big-name tech startup (one of: Lyft, AirBnB, Uber, Github).
Other times I've been told by recruiters things like "Sorry, we want someone with at least 5 years of Ember3 experience, not Ember2". Stupid stuff like that.
I don't know if the talent shortage is real, or if companies still haven't figured out recruiting. I think it's probably actually a combo of both.
I now write my resumes full of fluffy buzzwords, my GitHub is full of animated GIFS and pretty pictures and I adjust the buzzwords based on the job posting. Much higher conversion rate.
Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#64I'm surprised none of them mentioned the abominable "culture match". I've heard repeated complaints that it's much more important to be a brogrammer who likes craft beers, than it is to be any good at the actual programming.
I’ve been consulting the past year and a half. Recently I decided to contact some companies just to see what the landscape was like, and if I could maybe find an interesting opportunity that also paid well. On one of the first calls I had, the recruiter heavily implied that I was “not a culture fit” after I explained that I’m only interested in a job if it pays more than I currently make consulting (this particular j…
* If you have sales/negotiation skills, but no technical skills, you do sales/HR/whatnot.
* If you have both sales/negotiation AND technical skills, you do consulting or start your own business.
* If you have good technical skills, but poor negotiation skills, you go work as a software developer.
So yeah, an unwritten requirement for many technical positions is having poor negotiation skills. And no recruiter will obviously tell you outright that "you know, we're just looking for a sucker to take a crappy deal and you don't look like one, so move on", so instead they will use the politically correct "culture fit" to make themselves feel better.
Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Knowing that java and javascript are two different things would be a nice, although utopic, start.
Well, this joke is going around in devs' communities, but in fact never happened to me, at least not in last few years. Although I have met a few of fellow techies, totally sure that no first-line recruiter is able to grasp basic IT knowledge.
Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#66In my opinion: - designing your resume - EQ - having a deep, enthusiastic, and genuine interest in some aspect of the company - Think of your resume like a poem - visual representation of their experience/resume These are great criteria for hiring a designer or marketing personnel, but these are TERRIBLE criteria for hiring a technical person. In my fantasy world, a technical resume is in a monospaced font and is emi…
"and we have to pretend we're designers to work around people like this who have no idea how to hire actual technical people." I honestly don't know what you mean by this.
It was an agonizing process, but the end result is something that recruiters recognize as being well designed. I hate having to maintain it.
That's what I mean by pretending.
Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#67I would absolutely love to see a thoughtful 'what engineers want from technical recruiters' post.
Two things: 1. Actually read my resume before sending me an email. 2. Don't offer me a pay cut to work at your silly startup.
Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#68I was going to write a long and detailed post about how so many of these things are so very wrong from a technical standpoint, but basically, let me sum up the recruiting industry in a single quote from this material: > Watch for spelling and grammar. [..] After conducting my own A/B tests on this matter, the data showed that candidates who had untidy resumes faired less (sic!) than those with well written ones. Edit…
Being able to write really well can also make you stand out and do wonders for your career, especially if everyone else on the team is likewise a high performer (Jeff Dean style). The best people I've worked with have also all been really nice and kind to a fault.
Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#69I would absolutely love to see a thoughtful 'what engineers want from technical recruiters' post.
1. An understanding of the fields of work and of their evolution. Don't look for candidates based on languages and libraries -- those might be OK to get an initial shortlist, but:
a) Any programmer past junior level should be able to pick up a library (from a field he understands) in ~1 week and become minimally productive with a language in 2-3 weeks.
b) It's the idioms of each field that are difficult to teach, not the tech tools. Someone who did Java ME programming back in 2003 is probably better suited for an embedded software engineering position than someone who has 5 years of writing C++ code in the banking industry.
2. Erring on the side of inclusiveness. If you have doubts about whether I should see a candidate or not, send me the resume and we'll figure it out.
3. Valuing listening over "established patterns". Case in point: short job tenures. I've given favourable feedback for kids who, early in their careers, hand changed two or three jobs in a row. They were brilliant programmers who ended up in large companies, where managers many layers above them assigned them tasks way below their skill level, based on their title of "Junior Software Engineers" rather than on reading their CVs. They did the smart thing and left jobs that hampered their professional development. So far, I have not been wrong about this a single time.
That's not to say short job tenures are always something to ignore. Some people have them because they're assholes -- but okay, we won't hire them because they're assholes, not because they spent less than an year in two places.
4. Valuing honesty over "right" answers. I know people who left their jobs because their boss was a dick, HR wouldn't handle it, their boss's boss was an even bigger dick and they had no access to that boss's boss. These people should be able to say why they're leaving their jobs, not invent reasons about company culture and looking for new challenges and self-deprecating comments about how they just don't think they belong in that team.
5. Appreciating competence, thoroughness and professionalism, not things like enthusiasm. Some of the best engineers I know work on a strictly 9-5 basis and go home to their kids and don't touch computers by choice because their kids are the world to them. Professionalism and competence are hard to fake. Enthusiasm isn't.
If you want to appreciate enthusiasm, take real, falsifiable cues. Don't look for broad smiles and "I'm so super enthusiastic about ". For example, look for relevant hobbies, like ham radio or restoring old computers. Any idiot can fake being enthusiastic about programming in an interview, but faking it by writing m68k on a Friday evening for fun is above and beyond what most people would do in order to look like they love their profession.
Re: What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
A good balance between highly technical and creatively designed is to write your resume with TeX.
Is that more of a recommendation or a hard requirement? I've been using a bland resume that I thought would check all the boxes inside an ATS.