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Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll

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Re: Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll

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Post by Dylan16807 »

nkrisc wrote: post #231
Dylan16807 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The car's going to make a very small amount of CO in those fifteen seconds. If you take 'never' as 100% absolute then it's going to really distort your numbers, if your goal is counting how many people aren't aware of and safe around the danger.

The reason these sort of rules are absolute "never" are not because you'll end up with dangerous amounts of CO in 10 seconds, but because it makes it a simple rule to follow. Is 10 seconds OK? 15? 30? When does it stop being OK? Following an absolute rule eliminates much of the grey area where mistakes are made.

It stops being okay when you're not opening the door "at the same time". Such a rule has minimal gray area and shouldn't cause mistakes.

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Post by tzakrajs »

gambiting wrote: post #147
tzakrajs wrote: post #5

My 2015 Ford automatically shuts off after roughly 15 minutes of being without the key whether you start it from inside or outside of the vehicle.

Hopefully not when driving though?

LMFAO I have to try this now. I will report back tomorrow.

I have to get a Faraday cage now.

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Post by 3pt14159 »

monkeynotes wrote: post #239
205guy wrote: post #205

Another issue negated by electric cars. No burning fossil fuels, no carbon monoxide in my garage. Ironic that the only mention of EVs in this thread was about how Teslas turn themselves off and lock automatically. It's like everyone is complaining about having to do wiring at colos and some techs getting accidentally electrocuted, while I spin up another instance on AWS. BTW, my two Nissan Leaf EVs have the a keyless…

I'm still unsure how a country could switch from gas to EV. Could a city keep up with the power demands when everyone plugs in their EVs at night? I am assuming we'd have to build more power generation capacity, and what is the source? How do you transmit all the high capacity power to quick charge stations on the highway when you have 200+ cars an hour needing to quick charge? It all sounds like an enormous infrastr…

Ironically it is going to be easiest for places with the cleanest power (hydro, nuclear, geothermal, wind) because clean power tends to be non-burstable while fossil fuels are.

So in places like France or Ontario what will happen is that the cars will automatically charge when rates are low (at night) and may even help the grid by acting as remote batteries. For example, you could keep your car at a 70% minimum charge as a configuration then allow the power grid to pull from you as needed. This would passively reduce your overall power bill as you're selling at peak demand and buying at peak supply.

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Post by yock »

MereInterest wrote: post #115
yock wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...how many CO deaths from accidentally leaving the car running in the garage were happening before the introduction of key fobs vs. now. The great thing about the free market is that information spurs innovation. News stories like these make consumers aware of risks they couldn't recognize before. Now we, as informed buyers, can seek out these safety features in the products we buy.

Yeah, no. Humans are awful at estimating any low-probability event. That's why seatbelts and air bags took so long to catch on, despite being positive changes.

It seems that the humans in this thread are equally bad at it, considering the clamor for government force over an infinitesimally small number of admittedly tragic events.

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Post by 0xfeba »

dlhavema wrote: post #100
kps wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many places in North America, it is forbidden to park a car on your property in front of your house except on a driveway leading to a garage. The result — unsurprising to anyone except an urban ‘planner’ — is houses whose face is almost entirely garage.

Isnt that mainly because of HOA regulations? They are very prevelant in newer neighborhoods.

No, many municipalities have it as law.

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Post by 0xfeba »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #175
otherme33 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Darwin award implies people "eliminate themselves in an extraordinarily idiotic manner". I don't think that doing what you were doing for years without any danger is now considered idiocy. It's like in 40 years a toaster or an oven keeps running if you don't disable it through your "home controlling mental device" and burn your house to the ground while you are sleeping. Oh, and you cannot opt-out of the "mental…

I'm surprised this is even allowed, in the UK it is illegal to leave a car unoccupied on a public road with the engine running. Obviously we're talking about private garages in this case, but the technical ability to have the car running with nobody in it seems to run counter to the spirit of the law.

Do you feel the same about speed limits, or minimum following distance? Because cars could enforce those now.

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Post by 0xfeba »

ddnb wrote: post #191
eertami wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By forget you mean you opened the door and instantly realised your mistake because of the alarm it triggered?

Wait, you can't open your door with keyless cars? What about in winter when your car is running to heat up and you get out to clear your windscreen?

You can, it just emits a loud tone.

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Post by jordache »

hangonhn wrote: post #48

I had a pretty scary run in with CO from my car once and it had nothing to do with the keyless fob. My car with gasoline direct injection had two bad injectors fail while I was driving home. It went into limp mode. When I got home I inserted the OBD2 scanner to diagnose the issue in the garage. Because it was in limp mode, the engine was running rich and I guess producing a lot of CO in my garage. In the roughly 5 mi…

5 min? that's a long time to run a car for in an enclosed space

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Post by y4mi »

3pt14159 wrote: post #243
monkeynotes wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still unsure how a country could switch from gas to EV. Could a city keep up with the power demands when everyone plugs in their EVs at night? I am assuming we'd have to build more power generation capacity, and what is the source? How do you transmit all the high capacity power to quick charge stations on the highway when you have 200+ cars an hour needing to quick charge? It all sounds like an enormous infrastr…

Ironically it is going to be easiest for places with the cleanest power (hydro, nuclear, geothermal, wind) because clean power tends to be non-burstable while fossil fuels are. So in places like France or Ontario what will happen is that the cars will automatically charge when rates are low (at night) and may even help the grid by acting as remote batteries. For example, you could keep your car at a 70% minimum charg…

while also depleting the battery's lifespan.

sounds like a perfect opportunity to get careless car owners to destroy their own property for a company's revenue.

especially hilarious if the car owner doesn't use an expensive UPS between the grid and the car. I'm sure the next lightning storm isn't too far off - and some of the plugged in cars won't survive it.

I'm not against EV though. There'll however be a lot of growing pains as they take over the cities. (though thats still far off)

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Post by NeutronStar »

y4mi wrote: post #249
3pt14159 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically it is going to be easiest for places with the cleanest power (hydro, nuclear, geothermal, wind) because clean power tends to be non-burstable while fossil fuels are. So in places like France or Ontario what will happen is that the cars will automatically charge when rates are low (at night) and may even help the grid by acting as remote batteries. For example, you could keep your car at a 70% minimum charg…

while also depleting the battery's lifespan. sounds like a perfect opportunity to get careless car owners to destroy their own property for a company's revenue. especially hilarious if the car owner doesn't use an expensive UPS between the grid and the car. I'm sure the next lightning storm isn't too far off - and some of the plugged in cars won't survive it. I'm not against EV though. There'll however be a lot of gr…

Look at the batteries lifespan, it's like 25 years. Go look at data before spewing nonsense.
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