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Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll
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#82I suspect if they looked at attached garages and their toll when cars are left running the incident will be higher. How many people have died because of attached garages? Folks can help mitigate this by having carbon monoxide detectors in their garage and in the house. Car manufactures tho should have this built in, if the car is not running and the CO level inside get's too high, shut it off and sound the car alarm. The only challenge is that CO sensors seems to need replacing more than the life of the car and of course the price of car will go up and those without the need will be upset.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah but what's the ownership rate of bathtubs compared to keyless start cars?
You’d also have to consider bathtub usage (I shower daily, but only take a bath every couple of months)
Yeah, but the anti skid pad in my bathtub (which might prevent drownings) is slippery when damp, so I fell in the bath while taking a shower, and could have been killed.
I guess that sort of death goes under the “drowning” category, since the bath mitigation can kill shower-takers.
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#84There are certainly a large list of reasons a car should be automatically shutting off without the keys present, but I feel it's also important to put the article and the figures they use into perspective. Check out the GM Ignition issues where the cars lose electrical power because the key ignition moves out of the "on" position. The owners own key ring adding additional weight increasing the chance of this happenin…
I really don't think the article is saying much more than you do.
A simple, silly, trvially fixable design oversight caused a number of deaths when the product became common enough. The only way to nudge the manufacturers to fix it is by raising awareness, which is what the article does - which would, hopefully, lead to proper regulation.
Additionally, we can only expect the number of accidents like this to rise as the number of newer cars increases. This article is also a PSA.
While a lot of people die in car accidents, I see it as an orthogonal issue. Using your analogy, it's like complaining about floods in TX while there's a tornado in KS heading North.
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#85This is certainly an interesting case study in the pitfalls of behavioral design, but one important detail that the story glosses over is how rare these incidents are: More than two dozen people [have been] killed by carbon monoxide nationwide since 2006 after a keyless-ignition vehicle was inadvertently left running in a garage. On average, that's two deaths a year in a country of more than 260 million passenger veh…
Keyless cars are a tiny fraction of overall vehicles. The net befit is also minimal, so if they became popular you would expect a ~hundred deaths per year for what? Do save 20$ per car because they lack CO detectors?
CO detectors would make sense (as long as they don’t false-positive on the road, which is also dangerous!)
I suspect keyless entry systems have prevented multiple deaths of children in parking lots, but there’s no way to track that.
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#87I suspect if they looked at attached garages and their toll when cars are left running the incident will be higher. How many people have died because of attached garages? Folks can help mitigate this by having carbon monoxide detectors in their garage and in the house. Car manufactures tho should have this built in, if the car is not running and the CO level inside get's too high, shut it off and sound the car alarm.…
I wonder how many people died because they locked their keys in a running vehicle in the garage, called a locksmith, but didn’t think about CO entering the house while they waited.
At the rate of 2 per 100’s of millions of people per year, these scenarios become plausible.
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#88While tragic, I don't want my government protecting me from myself. I mean, where does this end? What about leaving the stove on? What about using my barbecue indoors?
There have been cases where government intervention to help may have actually been worse than that original problem, such as the rise in cases of forgetting children in rear seats on warm days after laws were written forbidding car seats in the front where parents find it harder to forget their child.
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#89I wonder how many deaths there are per year due to remote start. A kid (or another key in your pocket) presses one button on the dongle twice, and the whole household dies.
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#90If you're reading this and you don't have carbon monoxide detectors in your home, please go buy some. They are generally integrated in modern smoke detectors, and the standalone units are pretty cheap.
I'd recommend having one in the garage if you have a gas water heater. But you should definitely have them in the house no matter what.