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Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll

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Re: Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll

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post #19

Sounds to me like a big part of the problem is that these cars are too quiet. (I call that a nice problem to have.) My car beeps at me pretty loudly when I get out with the engine running.

Yeah, when I first got the car I have now I had trouble telling whether it was running because it was so quiet. It also has engine noise piped through the speakers, I guess to make it feel sportier.

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post #18

I feel like I read sometime last year 'DannyBee saying that modern cars were efficient enough that it was unlikely they'd be dangerous running in a garage. Found it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14705990

To be fair it does sound like the cars ran for hours in some of these cases.

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#24
post #7

I've certainly often forgotten to turn off the Prii [1] I've used. [1] http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/02...

The fact that you have to link to that article to justify your use of Prii says a lot about Toyota's marketing. ;)

Also, obviously not nearly as dangerous given that it shuts off the engine when it is idle, on or not.

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#25
I'd rather see people install CO detectors within their homes as it is a more general solution to this problem. CO poisoning can occur with any fuel burning appliance in your home. It would be better to cover all sources instead of each one individually.

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post #4

>a software change that it said could be accomplished for pennies per vehicle. In the face of auto industry opposition, the agency let the plan languish, though it says a rule is still under consideration. Why the car industry would oppose such a minor fix is beyond me. If it does not even hurt the bottom line, why not make that change.

I'd think some drivers prefer the current behavior. Like if you don't have a garage and live somewhere with cold winters you probably want to be able to start it and walk away.

Sure, but 30 mins is more than enough time to warm up in situations where externally powered heaters aren't required. Surely there must be some safe ground that would not drastically affect most drivers, but still save lives

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post #10

35,000 people are being killed in the US every year by cars, but now suddenly it's "Deadly Convenience," now that 2 people a year are dying from CO poisoning?

any time human lives are involved it's worth moderating one's outrage at such distortions, but the point you make is worthy of consideration: the number of deaths per year (21 in some unspecified time period is quoted in the article) seems to be relatively small compared to other addressable hazards.

the number of deaths and injuries per year from carbon monoxide poisoning by car is roughly on par with lightning strikes. we address that particular danger with a relatively straightforward technology, the lightning rod.

so i'd expect the response here would be of similar magnitude (rather than some convoluted rube goldbergian contraption). the auto-shutoff mechanism seems to fit the bill and some cars are already fitted with it.

so all in all, it's worth being aware of this danger and the solution, but not worth spending much more time thinking about it. it's much more fruitful to focus on reducing one's heart disease vectors, cancer risks and distracted driving.

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#28

I wonder if these vehicles wouldn't benefit from an onboard CO detector? Automatic shutoff if the vehicle is stationary and CO hits a given threshold. There's indubitably a bunch of reasons not to do it that way...

The car would probably be undrivable in India

Re: Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll

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post #18

I feel like I read sometime last year 'DannyBee saying that modern cars were efficient enough that it was unlikely they'd be dangerous running in a garage. Found it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14705990

That's a pretty impressive memory feat.
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