Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by okket » Sun, May 13, 2018, 7:11 PM UTC

Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]
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Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by mino » Sun, May 13, 2018, 7:42 PM UTC

This talk will be presented on Thursday 17th at RIPE76.

I assume that as usual, it will be streamed live and the video recording should appear here: https://ripe76.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ipv6-wg/

This upcoming RIPE meeting has so many interesting talks... I invite you to "invest" some time going through the program (not all slides are available yet, as it starts tomorrow)!

Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by ahbs66 » Sun, May 13, 2018, 7:58 PM UTC

I don't find it surprising that they can't find a correlation between GDP/growing user base/IPv4 stress and IPv6 deployment.

IPv6 deployment is a matter of politics. It depends on the opinions of the network personnel, on the hardware they have in their core network, on the hardware their customers have (CPEs), on the support contracts they have, etc. That's what decides whether they put a CGNAT in place, whether they buy more IPv4 addresses, or whether they deploy IPv6.

Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by ktpsns » Sun, May 13, 2018, 8:00 PM UTC

Maybe still ISPs suffer poor field reports.

I was client at "Kabel Deutschland, Germany" and they offer native IPv6 for their customers, with "Dual stack lite" as the routing option to reach the IPv4 world. It performed poorly for me, perhaps due to bad load balancing of the IPv4-gateways. I switched to a buisness plan (+10EUR/month) of the same ISP and now have an own static IPv4 adress and not even native access to IPv6 any more. This is a clear statement how they think about their IPv6 support.

Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by ahbs66 » Sun, May 13, 2018, 8:01 PM UTC

ktpsns wrote: post #4

Maybe still ISPs suffer poor field reports. I was client at "Kabel Deutschland, Germany" and they offer native IPv6 for their customers, with "Dual stack lite" as the routing option to reach the IPv4 world. It performed poorly for me, perhaps due to bad load balancing of the IPv4-gateways. I switched to a buisness plan (+10EUR/month) of the same ISP and now have an own static IPv4 adress and not even native access to…

It's normal, no? They deploy IPv6 because they don't have enough IPv4 addresses. And since most servers in the world are not IPv6 ready and will never be for a long time, if you want to reach an IPv4 server you have to go through their CGNAT which may have a piss-poor performance.

I really wish RIPE could force ISPs to release the addresses they don't need :(

Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by ktpsns » Sun, May 13, 2018, 8:08 PM UTC

ahbs66 wrote: post #5

ktpsns wrote: post #4

Maybe still ISPs suffer poor field reports. I was client at "Kabel Deutschland, Germany" and they offer native IPv6 for their customers, with "Dual stack lite" as the routing option to reach the IPv4 world. It performed poorly for me, perhaps due to bad load balancing of the IPv4-gateways. I switched to a buisness plan (+10EUR/month) of the same ISP and now have an own static IPv4 adress and not even native access to…

It's normal, no? They deploy IPv6 because they don't have enough IPv4 addresses. And since most servers in the world are not IPv6 ready and will never be for a long time, if you want to reach an IPv4 server you have to go through their CGNAT which may have a piss-poor performance. I really wish RIPE could force ISPs to release the addresses they don't need :(

If their CGNAT would perform better, clients would not even notice a difference. I hardly doubt all that buisness clients (thinking of small non-IT buisinesses such as coffee shops) require native IPv4.

An ISP who cannot offer a proper IPv6+IPv4 internet access should not be refered to as an ISP. He supports IPv6IPv4 segregation, instead.

Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by ohazi » Sun, May 13, 2018, 8:10 PM UTC

I think eventually the only thing that will have any hope of forcing proper IPv6 adoption is some popular service being made available only over IPv6.

We can call it "IPv6walling."

Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by jfjjfdjj94 » Sun, May 13, 2018, 8:13 PM UTC

Could it also be a way to keep competition out? Established ISPs might have enough IP4 addresses to last them for a while. Meanwhile, as long as most of the internet hasn't switched over, new ISPs can't enter the market because they can't get hold of IP4 addresses anymore?

Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by 88e282102ae2e5b » Sun, May 13, 2018, 8:17 PM UTC

Is there a reason ISPs would be reluctant to discuss their motivations for IPv6 deployment? That is, why can't you just ask them?

Re: Is IPv6 only for the Rich? [pdf]

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Post by Svenstaro » Sun, May 13, 2018, 8:20 PM UTC

ktpsns wrote: post #4

Maybe still ISPs suffer poor field reports. I was client at "Kabel Deutschland, Germany" and they offer native IPv6 for their customers, with "Dual stack lite" as the routing option to reach the IPv4 world. It performed poorly for me, perhaps due to bad load balancing of the IPv4-gateways. I switched to a buisness plan (+10EUR/month) of the same ISP and now have an own static IPv4 adress and not even native access to…

For the record, I'm also on the business plan (cable) with them but seem to have absolutely no troubles with IPv4 and IPv6 and I'm IPv6 native from what I can see here.

Are you on DSL by any chance?