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GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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Re: GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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> Advertising isn’t personal, and doesn’t have to be.

Customers are being educated by companies, personal experience and news media why they are seeing the ads they are being shown. Just because advertising doesn't have to be personal, doesn't make that a sufficient argument for not doing it.

> Advertising makes brands.

Certainly brands are useful for trust, but often brand dominance blinds customers from smaller players and solutions. It's a trade-off.

> Advertising carries an economic signal.

Are there no other signals to determine economic strength of a company? Good advertising should project value and tilt perception in their favor.

> Advertising sponsors media, and those paid by media.

Companies study their customers without cookies to learn where better to advertise for them. This isn't new because of cookies. Tracking cookies gave the ability for small advertisers to understand their customers and their other consumption in ways that only the largest marketers could.

> Adtech is built to undermine the brand value of all the media it uses, because it cares about eyeballs more than media, and it causes negative associations with brands.

The author keeps making the assumption that strong brands are better than aligning customers with products that fit them well.

> Adtech wants to be personal. That’s why it’s tracking-based. Though its enthusiasts call it “interest-based,” “relevant” and other harmless-sounding euphemisms, it relies on tracking people.

The author again is throwing the baby out with the bathwater with no imagination for regulatory controls to limit the scope of access for customer data.

> Adtech spies on people and violates their privacy.

Emotional language, privacy is something that isn't monolithic for all people. There is nuance here.

> Adtech is full of fraud and a vector for malware.

So is the internet at large.

> Adtech incentivizes publications to prioritize “content generation” over journalism.

And on the other side of the coin, adtech incentivizes growth of smaller outfits to be competitive because it allows advertisers to find their platform. The author failed to mention all of the new media companies that have sprouted up now that they can compete with larger outfits. Customers have never had more choice. Who is to say the bias of a large firm is more advantageous than a smaller firm?

> Intermediators take most of what’s spent on adtech. Bob Hoffman does a great job showing how as little as 3¢ of a dollar spent on adtech actually makes an “impression. The most generous number I’ve seen is 12¢.

It's not about brand impressions. It's about conversions.

> Adtech gives fake news a business model, because fake news is easier to produce than the real kind, and adtech will pay anybody a bounty for hauling in eyeballs.

This is being worked on right now by the adtech platforms, it has a ton of visibility and public interest.

> Adtech incentivizes hate speech and tribalism by giving both—and the platforms that host them—a business model too.

Tribalism is not inherently a bad thing. Hate speech is a symptom of hate. Adtech is not making people hate each other. Hate speech is widely decried and has tons of visibility and public interest.

> Adtech relies on misdirection.

Again the author implictly is valuing brand presence over customers finding what they want.

> Compared to advertising, adtech is ugly.

Not ugly == expensive. Is that added cost necessary in helping customers find the right products and services? If not, it's superfluous.

> Adtech has caused the largest boycott in human history.

Which shows that the system can be worked around by users when it is too onerous.

Re: GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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Serious question: What are the odds of someone offical even noticing that you are in violation of GDPR? It's not like they'll enforce GDPR and collect $7.89 in fines from small businesses.

Minimum fine is $20 million, isn’t it?

No. It's part of the calculation for the maximum fine.

The maximum fine is defined as €20,000,000 or 4% of your global anual turnover, whichever is largest.

Re: GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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>Isn’t this more or less the gist of GDPR and “right to be forgotten” laws? That my personal data doesn’t automatically “belong” to anyone else just because I entered it onto a server? Yes the EU invented a new right for its citizens which is the prerogative of the EU because of their bastardized idea of what constitutes privacy. Privacy is a basic human right, that much is obvious. There is no human right however to…

The author of a creative work doesn't have the right to force me to delete something from my laptop if I obtained it lawfully. Maybe not technically, but in practice, yes. You may be able to keep them, but you can't actually open and view them. As per MAI Systems Corp. v. Peak Computer, Inc. , loading something into RAM counts as copying, so you need a license to do that. And even if you had one once, it can be revok…

This sounds like a US legal case however, so I wouldn’t extrapolate this to odds of it being illegal worldwide.

Re: GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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I've been anticipating something like an ad-tech bubble pop for years -- most digital ads don't seem to add much by way of tangible value and hijack the decrease to information-acquisition costs that make the Internet a value-add on society.

Oh, I'm not saying no one was ever influenced by digital ads, only that the wholesale adoption appears to be driven less by an understanding of their lift and more by "fear of missing out" by companies.

Re: GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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Oddly, I think the article underestimates the size of the change coming. I think one side affect of the surge of IT into advertising, is that it has become easier to measure exactly how well advertising works. By and large, it doesn't, very well. I am reminded of this, from Paul Graham, about his time at Yahoo: http://www.paulgraham.com/yahoo.html "...The reason Yahoo didn't care about a technique that extracted the…

If true, it makes a very amusing reversal from the usual story. Rather than peddling their wares to suckers, the placers of the ads have themselves been suckered into buying a product that doesn't work as advertised!

Re: GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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I don't see how self-hosting has anything to do with it honestly. This is about tracking people without their consent. It's about preserving rights of individuals. Self hosting is no more or less acceptable than third party hosting. It's not a technical issue.

So is your position that website owners should have no visiblity at all on their visitors, and no way of knowing how many people are using it?

They can know how many people, as long as they don't store personal information. Keeping a counter doesn't require consent.

Re: GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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Under GDPR guidance, IP addresses are considered personal data because they can be used to identify an individual in a moment in time. Personal data consists of things that identify individuals, but also things that can be used in conjunction with other information to identify individuals. You might not like that, but the regulators are pretty clear on this point.

> Under GDPR guidance, IP addresses are considered personal data because they can be used to identify an individual in a moment in time. That's actually the most frightening thing I've heard in a long time. Does the GDPR actually make that connection? If so, it literally links people to an IP address, rather than simply a connection. If that line is accurate, I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned before, associating…

Yes, it explicitly mentions it, because it's actually very often true. Of course there are plenty of examples where it would be extremely difficult to link to an individual, but there are tonnes of examples where it's extremely easy. GDPR says that because it's sometimes easy, you have to consider it personal data.

Again, it's not always saying an IP address is a personal identify. It just is often enough.

Re: GDPR will pop the adtech bubble

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So is your position that website owners should have no visiblity at all on their visitors, and no way of knowing how many people are using it?

Website owners can have visibility on their visitors if those visitors explicitly consent to it. Not sure what is so difficult to understand about this.

Consent isn't the only lawful basis for processing personal data.
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