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Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

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I have the latest MacBook pro and the latest Pixel book. They keyboard on the MacBook is passable. The keyboard on the Pixel book is garbage. That the Pixel book can fold into a tablet is pretty nice. For me, the lackluster keyboard puts paid to the idea of developing on the Pixel book. However - as an interface to Google online services, it's great.

Interesting observation. Everyone who touched my Pixelbook had nothing but praise for keyboard. Especially those coming from a touchbar Macbook Pro. Most reviews I've liked the keyboard very much. The only weakness of the keyboard is the uneven backlight.

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

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I use a 12” MacBook and find it almost fully suitable for all development. Even with VMs and Docker containers, it’s great, but if anything misbehaves and gets it running too hot it can get sluggish. It’s unable to recover on its own because it has no fan. MacBook Pros can keep going even with CPU-abusive software. I don’t want to carry the extra weight so I choose the trade-off. But a Chromebook? I don’t understand…

Counter-anecdote to OSX Docker: My OSX Docker experience was nothing short of painful. Anything CPU intensive brought the entire laptop to a crawl. When I went down to metal noticed at least a 10-15x performance improvement, due to the way XHyve does things with the disk (I think?). This may have changed recently, but I won't run Docker on OSX anymore unless I have to.

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

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I'd give it a qualified yes. Actually, I don't think "Chromebooks" is the right thing to ask about, that sounds like the physical hardware. That varies widely and can mostly run Linux, but that's not particularly special. We should ask if ChromeOS is ready for serious development.

There's definitely some types of development work that just won't ever be practical in any way on a ChromeOS device. Developing iOS apps, Windows GUI apps, etc. Sure you can remote into a MacOS or Windows machine, but I don't think that counts. Anything requiring massive CPU power or RAM probably won't work too well either.

There's also definitely plenty of ways of working productively that are very practical. Being remoted into a cloud IDE or SSH works fine. Not sure if that counts, but cloud work is the main idea of ChromeOS. You can install Linux side by side with Crouton, but going outside of ChromeOS seems beside the point. You can install something like Termux to get a pretty normal Linux interface without breaking ChromeOS security, but it does seem to have a couple of quirks.

I've been using the Termux method for a while for side projects, and I've mostly been pleasantly surprised. Ruby, Python, C, Go, and Rust all run just fine, as does Vim, Tmux, SSH, Git, etc. Even installing local DB servers for web apps to test against seems to work fine. I have run into a couple of snags with various Ruby gems that I haven't gotten around to sorting out yet. The community around the setup is decent, but maybe not as big as you'd really want for something you "seriously develop" on. You can certainly get most types of development work done on it though.

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

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How about you just disable Siri like everyone else? :-) I work with my macbook 12+ hours a day and this never, ever, happened to me.

Yes, read the last sentence of my comment. Updates might re enable it. If your battery runs out, the same happens.

I've removed the Siri button from the touchbar the day I got my MacBook, more than a year ago, and it never appeared again. Might be a problem on your system? Usually resetting the NVRAM/PRAM solves this kind of problems, but it's basically black magic.

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

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XPS 13 user here, big fan

Counterpoint here, XPS 13 user, hate it. Worst coil whine I've heard on anything, fan sounds like it's catching, WiFi on Ubuntu very unreliable. Trackpad is atrocious. I think it varies a lot between models.

Same. XPS 13 with Ubuntu. It's not the worst laptop experience I've had but it's close.

The trackpad is a nightmare. The bluetooth adapter randomly dies and I'm forced to restart. About 10% of the time when I close the lid the laptop doesn't actually go to sleep, but instead gets extremely hot, which is worrying when I take it out of my bag only to realize the thing has run down the battery and nearly melted. The list of issues goes on and on.

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

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I use my Arch Linux T450 Lenovo laptopand it's a beast. $500 on eBay + $180 for SSD + $150 for RAM. My laptop has 20Gb of RAM, 2x 1Tb SSDs, and 10 hours battery life, with 1 hot swap batteries pushing me to 18 hours battery life if I want it. Total cost: ~$900 with tax and shipping IMO best track pad outside of Apple + best laptop keyboard

this looks like my dream machine. Two questions: how is the fan noise, and where did you find 1tb ssd drives so cheap?

So they often come with 1SSD drive, then eBay the other drives or in my case, student discount Western digital is 30% off + other promo.

No fan noise

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

#107
post #63

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XPS 13 user here, big fan

Counterpoint here, XPS 13 user, hate it. Worst coil whine I've heard on anything, fan sounds like it's catching, WiFi on Ubuntu very unreliable. Trackpad is atrocious. I think it varies a lot between models.

Have he new 9370 with NixOS, no cool whine. Although I had it on the one I had 2 models ago. WiFi and Bluetooth work fine for me. So maybe they’ve worked the kinks out?

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

#108

I don't understand the authors choice to limit himself to Apple or Google. You've been able to do development on Linux notebooks (and Windows notebooks, of course) since decades. I can absolutely recommend Dell (and ThinkPad, though not from personal experience) notebooks with Ubuntu preinstalled/officially supported. Or is the question if a Chromebook is en vogue to use this season at Starbucks?

ChromeOS is very nice for non-development browsing/writing/music listening which we all do, the 12-13" models are a good form factor and have good battery life. Not to mention they're usually <$300 for the lower-end models.

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

#109

The pixelbook is rather expensive for what it is. I have a secondhand hp z620 (32 cores, 64 gigs of ram) and a 4k screen. Total cost Whilst being about 4 years old, its still much much faster than a top end macbook. Yes its not portable. However I don't move around that much at work (If I do, everything is in git, or one can ssh in from another machine.) if I need to work from home, I have any old laptop to ssh in an…

I have the same setup and it's great for some development tasks, but its single-core speed can't match the latest processors. I actually installed Linux on my company-issued MBP and I run a bunch of dev tools on it via Xwin from my z620.

Re: Ask HN: Are Chromebooks ready for serious development?

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I don't understand the authors choice to limit himself to Apple or Google. You've been able to do development on Linux notebooks (and Windows notebooks, of course) since decades. I can absolutely recommend Dell (and ThinkPad, though not from personal experience) notebooks with Ubuntu preinstalled/officially supported. Or is the question if a Chromebook is en vogue to use this season at Starbucks?

I use my Arch Linux T450 Lenovo laptopand it's a beast. $500 on eBay + $180 for SSD + $150 for RAM. My laptop has 20Gb of RAM, 2x 1Tb SSDs, and 10 hours battery life, with 1 hot swap batteries pushing me to 18 hours battery life if I want it. Total cost: ~$900 with tax and shipping IMO best track pad outside of Apple + best laptop keyboard

Good specs, but that sounds really heavy.
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