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Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by alexandercrohde »

So there are few distinct elements to this, that we should think about independently.

A - Is this type of advertising scary? [Really all this post is about]

B - Did Russia try to change the election?

C - Did they succeed?

My thoughts:

A - It is to me.

B - As far as I understand, this is conclusively yes, based on the fact that multiple politicians have plead guilty to collaborating. [1]

C - I don't know. For me it's not about that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_...

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by creaghpatr »

alexandercrohde wrote: post #121

So there are few distinct elements to this, that we should think about independently. A - Is this type of advertising scary? [Really all this post is about] B - Did Russia try to change the election? C - Did they succeed? My thoughts: A - It is to me. B - As far as I understand, this is conclusively yes, based on the fact that multiple politicians have plead guilty to collaborating. [1] C - I don't know. For me it's…

No politician/Russian has pled guilt to collaborating (which is not a real crime) the closest thing they have charged is conspiracy to defraud and I expect they will have to drop those in the long run, you should read the charges more carefully.

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by zug_zug »

creaghpatr wrote: post #122
alexandercrohde wrote: post #121

So there are few distinct elements to this, that we should think about independently. A - Is this type of advertising scary? [Really all this post is about] B - Did Russia try to change the election? C - Did they succeed? My thoughts: A - It is to me. B - As far as I understand, this is conclusively yes, based on the fact that multiple politicians have plead guilty to collaborating. [1] C - I don't know. For me it's…

No politician/Russian has pled guilt to collaborating (which is not a real crime) the closest thing they have charged is conspiracy to defraud and I expect they will have to drop those in the long run, you should read the charges more carefully.

Rick Gates plead guilty of conspiracy to defraud the United States, however it appears that's not Trump related.

I think it may be correct to pick on some of the details, but as far as I can tell there's overwhelming evidence that Russian agents tried to influence the election, and anybody who denies that I assume does so for partisan reasons.

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by Toboe »

jessaustin wrote: post #44
Sharlin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, of course these aren't even supposed to directly champion one or the other. Their point is clearly to amplify the existing "us vs. them" mentality, make people even more entrenched, and to encourage the thinking on both sides that the other side is out to get them. Classic divide and conquer.

But how does this change results? There are still two main candidates. If those leaning toward A lean harder toward A, and those leaning toward B lean harder toward B, no votes were changed as a result of this effort. There is no box to check on the ballot for "I'm really sure, so count my vote twice!" A great unmentioned step in this whole bizarre theoretical process is the idea that, absent some FB ads, lots of Rep…

>There is no box to check on the ballot for "I'm really sure, so count my vote twice!"

Besides what sibling comments said:

But there is the option of not voting/voting implausible 3rd candidate because screw the main 2.

So theoretically you could have non-influenced reps staying at home, because they dislike both candidates.

Or have influenced dems vote Bernie (or don't vote) because Hillary just isn't good enough, when without influence they'd have pinched their nose and voted Hillary.

Or if you don't insist on it being about who wins, you could imagine it about the loosing side being so riled up, that they hinder the winner and turn the winner into a lame-duck president.

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by seba_dos1 »

mythrwy wrote: post #85

Is it just me or does Q3 2017 have the same ad 5 out of 8 times? Also is it just me or does the domain "documentingreality.com" sound like it's probably going to document something else.

It sounds like that, however, if you check the root of that domain you will see that it's a forum for gore photos and videos from real accidents, deaths or medical conditions, so the domain name is somewhat proper :P

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by mistermann »

jessaustin wrote: post #118
mistermann wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

-2? What is happening to this website? "This, in the end, just illustrates the point that repeating misinformation constantly will convince people that it is the truth." "You chose a side, it ended up being the losing side, and the whole debacle likely cost the Democrats the White House, yet you're still unable to see that you were played." These "observations" are in fact 100% imagined.

What is happening to this website? Lots of brigading, of both comments and votes, on this thread. Just look at all the phrases that are constantly repeated. I thought this set of images would somehow inspire a different set of responses, especially since it came from "documentingreality.com", but in future I will just flag and move on.

I wonder how many people are now living in some sort of a self-made imaginary world.

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by eric_h »

alexandercrohde wrote: post #119
eric_h wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or will it just be Facebook blocking them by way of policy? How do you even formulate the policy? Sure, you can ban/annotate the ads that are specifically about Clinton or Trump, but where do you draw the line? The fascinating thing about these ads is that most of them plucked on the political strings of the audience indirectly.

You require people to identify themselves when purchasing ads / displaying ads. The ads pretending to be radical American extreme views are less effective when you learn it's Sergei in St. Petersburg posting...

I'm sure a foreign intelligence service will be stopped by identification requirements...

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by jryan49 »

alexandercrohde wrote: post #117
jryan49 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the ads I was reading were would take extreme stances that make the other side get a distorted view of a group. I saw an LGBT ad from Russia that suggested we make it illegal for heterosexuals to adopt. This would do damage to said movements in that people will ignore their legitimate messages as well when them deem them extremists.

Could you link that one? I can't seem to find it

This was the image I was talking about: https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/buDyxBhuwEgTWpgvuiE_w...

in this washington post article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/10/t...)

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Post by jessaustin »

mistermann wrote: post #126
jessaustin wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is happening to this website? Lots of brigading, of both comments and votes, on this thread. Just look at all the phrases that are constantly repeated. I thought this set of images would somehow inspire a different set of responses, especially since it came from "documentingreality.com", but in future I will just flag and move on.

I wonder how many people are now living in some sort of a self-made imaginary world.

I'd be happy if these were "self-made" imaginary worlds. That would at least be interesting, and the average of a bunch of random steps from reality is probably something pretty close to reality. Most of these individuals seem to be living in the same obviously-false war-media-created imaginary world, so in aggregate they're very far from reality.
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