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All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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> These are images of the Facebook ads the Russians purchased to try and alter the 2016 U.S. Election. These were released from Congress And what does congress base this on? Looking through a bunch, they don't seem to favor either Hillary or Donald... is it supposed to prove that the elections weren't tampered with? Or am I missing something? Edit: managed to find one! Against Donald: https://www.documentingreality.c…

Q3-2017 does seem a little late for influencing the 2016 election.

Oh, didn't even notice that (as I don't follow (American) politics that closely). Seems even more unlikely that this had anything to do with the elections then.

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Why were Russians doing ads to support democratic cause? I thought it was strongly believed that they wanted Trump to win. Doing some divisive thing to get some sort of twisted outcome feels like far out conspiracy. That bring me to question: how much confidence do we have these are Russian state sponsored ad?

I was wondering how far down I'd have to scroll to find the first sensible comment. Congrats.

The internal logic of these claims is non-existent. During the actual campaign Hillary and her supporters were convinced Russia (the generic bogeyman of the western establishment everywhere) was shilling for Trump. After all Trump was a lot more friendly and Hillary was stating that she'd shoot Russian planes out of the sky over Syria, so such a motive would have at least made sense.

Now that whole narrative fell apart entirely. We have the head of famously anti-gay and conservative Russia posting LGBT memes and supporting Hillary, despite the risk of war between Russia and America should she have won.

Yet, the desire to believe is so strong, that like all conspiracy theories it's simply morphed into whatever the smallest step to fitting with new information is, that preserves the core. Now it's all a genius plan to "sow division" by posting pictures of fox statues made of shotgun cartridges. Quite why Russia specifically benefits from generalised "division" or why US culture needed help being divided is left unexplained.

This is exactly the behaviour you'd expect to see if people with strong motivations were looking at noise. Leading us to your last question:

how much confidence do we have these are Russian state sponsored ad?

We only appear to have Facebook's word for it. But you have to watch out. One of the subtle ways this conspiracy theory tends to morph and warp is the distinction between the Russian government and Russians. Even in the headline of this thread, note that it's "Russians" and not "the Russian government".

There are liberal Russians. There are conservative Russians. There are 144 million Russians, a little under half the population of the USA itself. If even 0.1% of them decided they cared about the globally-famous US election, and if Facebook had simply selected "ads paid for by Russians", then this is exactly what you would see - a mishmash of stuff with no unifying theme or agenda.

Or Facebook could have just made a mistake. The government asked them to find evidence of Russian interference, and let's face it, going back with "there's nothing there you are all delusional" is not a good political strategy. I'm sure they felt they had to find something.

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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The funniest example right now are the Rs who are against USA violence in Syria but for it in Iran, juxtaposed with the Ds who are against USA violence in Iran but for it in Syria. Syria and Iran are allies, and there is no compelling reason for USA violence in either nation. The whole war media narrative has really gone off the rails...

False equivalence, though. Syria is a country already in a civil war, where the nominal government has used chemical weapons on its own citizens multiple times, afawk. Iran is a stable partial democracy that is, afawk, complying with an international agreement to prohibit nuclear weapons. South Korea and the US are allies too, but only one of us is at war, albeit technically.

You appear to be thoroughly brainwashed.

1. It’s not a “nominal” government, but the actual one.

2. The use of chemical weapons by Syrian government has never been proven. Moreover, it has no incentive whatsoever to use them.

3. Iran is not a democracy, partial or otherwise. Ayatollah decides everything.

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Russia was allegedly buying pro-LGBT ads? Surprising.

Also there are several posts with russian text on the picture like this one [1].

But this doesn't look like a state-level operation. A single person could easily make all those pictures.

[1] https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/russian-ads/2015-Q2...

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funniest example right now are the Rs who are against USA violence in Syria but for it in Iran, juxtaposed with the Ds who are against USA violence in Iran but for it in Syria. Syria and Iran are allies, and there is no compelling reason for USA violence in either nation. The whole war media narrative has really gone off the rails...

False equivalence, though. Syria is a country already in a civil war, where the nominal government has used chemical weapons on its own citizens multiple times, afawk. Iran is a stable partial democracy that is, afawk, complying with an international agreement to prohibit nuclear weapons. South Korea and the US are allies too, but only one of us is at war, albeit technically.

Yeah if we talk to a Republican she'll have her own ridiculous arguments in the other direction. There is no "afawk". Every new detail we hear about supposed Syrian chemical attacks is worse for the war media narrative. And what's the point anyway? USA weapons are killing innocent people in at least five nations, right now. How would deaths of innocents in some other nation justify adding that other nation and its nuclear-superpower ally to our list? The only reason the "civil war" wasn't over years ago is that we have continued to flood it with munitions. Even after the supposed "good rebels" fled the area we continued to ship arms in, only to "whoops, they've mistakenly gone to ISIS again". ISIS only exists in the first place because of our ridiculous yet in retrospect remarkably similar decision to kill a bunch of innocent people in Iraq. How many times do they have to repeat this desultory performance before Americans remember what happened the last time they believed it?

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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how are these any different than the standard appeal to emotion arguments that groups make in good faith? e.g., why is an ad trying to raise awareness about black lives matter from russia any different than an ad trying to raise awareness about black lives matter from black lives matter? > The power to disseminate information (or disinformation) is not one that should be taken lightly. curious to know if you believe…

Some of the ads I was reading were would take extreme stances that make the other side get a distorted view of a group. I saw an LGBT ad from Russia that suggested we make it illegal for heterosexuals to adopt. This would do damage to said movements in that people will ignore their legitimate messages as well when them deem them extremists.

Could you link that one? I can't seem to find it

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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How do you know so much about this person, are you aquaintances in real life?

-2? What is happening to this website? "This, in the end, just illustrates the point that repeating misinformation constantly will convince people that it is the truth." "You chose a side, it ended up being the losing side, and the whole debacle likely cost the Democrats the White House, yet you're still unable to see that you were played." These "observations" are in fact 100% imagined.

What is happening to this website?

Lots of brigading, of both comments and votes, on this thread. Just look at all the phrases that are constantly repeated. I thought this set of images would somehow inspire a different set of responses, especially since it came from "documentingreality.com", but in future I will just flag and move on.

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Any ideas how prohibiting these types of ads next election cycle will pass constitutional muster? Most were several steps removed from references to any election. And non-citizens residents are generally held to have rights under the 1st Amendment ( https://www.google.com/search?q=non+citizens+1st+amendment ) Or will it just be Facebook blocking them by way of policy?

> Or will it just be Facebook blocking them by way of policy? How do you even formulate the policy? Sure, you can ban/annotate the ads that are specifically about Clinton or Trump, but where do you draw the line? The fascinating thing about these ads is that most of them plucked on the political strings of the audience indirectly.

You require people to identify themselves when purchasing ads / displaying ads.

The ads pretending to be radical American extreme views are less effective when you learn it's Sergei in St. Petersburg posting...

Re: All images of the Facebook ads Russians purchased during the election

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Q3-2017 does seem a little late for influencing the 2016 election.

But not too late for further dividing America under Trump...

This is wishful thinking. Sadly, Trump is consolidating his grip on power while the morons on the "other" side have their heads in the sand. Rs will win complete control of both houses at the federal level and at least 40 states this November. Then they will start churning out awful Constitutional amendments. Will that also be the Russians' fault, or will Ds finally get some accountable leadership that looks forward to victory rather than whinging about past failures?
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