Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%

Post by keltex » Fri, May 11, 2018, 11:33 PM UTC

ballenf wrote: post #22

vosper wrote: post #2

For obvious reasons there's a lot of focus on Tesla's automobiles, but part of me wonders if these Powerpack grid batteries aren't the real innovation and killer product for the company.

Where's Tesla's secret sauce in this solution: the battery chemistry, the control circuits or well-engineered integration of the parts? How much a threat is constrained lithium supply to the business model?

Post by jgord » Fri, May 11, 2018, 11:43 PM UTC

krl02 wrote: post #25

ggm wrote: post #3

This outcome is in a particularly distorted badly operated market, one where for no very good reasons regulatory power is not being applied, and distorted bidding for FCAS and peak supply has been the norm. It's hugely politicised, and in the context of a rejection of carbon trading and an attempt by the ruling federal liberal-national government to wedge coal into the mix (it's basically uneconomic now, and won't ge…

Life is hugely politicized We think we’re boxing it off from that but if you look closer, through the abstract nonsense people peddle, you’ll see it comes down to a political yes/no process You’re welcome to pretend otherwise. I’d rather just dispense with the notion life is anything but dialog back and forth, jockeying for acceptance and access into some clique or the “right” to build useful infra

Post by inopinatus » Fri, May 11, 2018, 11:44 PM UTC

vosper wrote: post #2

For obvious reasons there's a lot of focus on Tesla's automobiles, but part of me wonders if these Powerpack grid batteries aren't the real innovation and killer product for the company.

Post by jgord » Fri, May 11, 2018, 11:46 PM UTC

ballenf wrote: post #22

vosper wrote: post #2

For obvious reasons there's a lot of focus on Tesla's automobiles, but part of me wonders if these Powerpack grid batteries aren't the real innovation and killer product for the company.

Where's Tesla's secret sauce in this solution: the battery chemistry, the control circuits or well-engineered integration of the parts? How much a threat is constrained lithium supply to the business model?

Post by 205guy » Fri, May 11, 2018, 11:54 PM UTC

ovao wrote: post #24

toomuchtodo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one has any way to dispose of nuclear waste (except reprocessing, which has significant cost and safety concerns). It sits in storage pools waiting for that day. Lithium batteries have no such issue.

While not cost effective in the slightest, jettisoning nuclear waste into outer space is one proposition. Naturally, launching rockets filled with nuclear waste comes with its own safety concerns.