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Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
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Re: Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
#12This outcome is in a particularly distorted badly operated market, one where for no very good reasons regulatory power is not being applied, and distorted bidding for FCAS and peak supply has been the norm. It's hugely politicised, and in the context of a rejection of carbon trading and an attempt by the ruling federal liberal-national government to wedge coal into the mix (it's basically uneconomic now, and won't ge…
> This outcome is in a particularly distorted badly operated market, one where for no very good reasons regulatory power is not being applied . . . You described most energy markets on the planet.
Not to the point where it costs $14,000 per MW. At that pricepoint hiring humans to hand crank generators is not the laughably ridiculous proposition it should be.
Re: Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
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> This outcome is in a particularly distorted badly operated market, one where for no very good reasons regulatory power is not being applied . . . You described most energy markets on the planet.
It’s particularly bad in Australia and South Australia where this battery is was the worst. Australia despite having abundant reserves of coal, gas and uranium as well as excellent solar and wind locations has some of their most expensive electricity prices in the world.
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#14It’s also a national embarrassment according to the government treasurer who likened it to Australia’s tourist stop big things such as The Big Banana. What I love about it is that it’s forcing the governments hand. They have vested interests in the coal industry but cannot continue to overlook this when electricity prices are so high in Australia.
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Re: Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
#15For obvious reasons there's a lot of focus on Tesla's automobiles, but part of me wonders if these Powerpack grid batteries aren't the real innovation and killer product for the company.
In the long run, it does seem like a bigger business opportunity than the vehicle based business.
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#16Zero emmissions If nuclear has to include the costs of dismantling the plants, batteries have to include the cost of building them. And wind generators are massive aluminum structures, which are extremely costly to shape. Some day, maybe. Let's be fair in the meantime.
No one has any way to dispose of nuclear waste (except reprocessing, which has significant cost and safety concerns). It sits in storage pools waiting for that day. Lithium batteries have no such issue.
Re: Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
#17For obvious reasons there's a lot of focus on Tesla's automobiles, but part of me wonders if these Powerpack grid batteries aren't the real innovation and killer product for the company.
The history of business is littered with companies that got into business to do A, discovered they couldn't make that work unless someone tackled B, did B because nobody else was doing it well enough, then stopped doing A because they were doing so well at B.
Re: Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
#18Zero emmissions If nuclear has to include the costs of dismantling the plants, batteries have to include the cost of building them. And wind generators are massive aluminum structures, which are extremely costly to shape. Some day, maybe. Let's be fair in the meantime.
Industrial CO2 emissions (building batteries, building power plants, building aluminum) fall under a different category then electricity production emissions, it's not deceptive to claim zero emissions here.
Re: Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
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> This outcome is in a particularly distorted badly operated market, one where for no very good reasons regulatory power is not being applied . . . You described most energy markets on the planet.
Not to the point where it costs $14,000 per MW. At that pricepoint hiring humans to hand crank generators is not the laughably ridiculous proposition it should be.
For reference, a megawatt (MW) is 13000 humans cranking generators. You might get by with fewer since the problem being addressed is short bursts of capacity mismatch.
Re: Tesla’s giant battery in Australia reduced grid service cost by 90%
#20Good to hear. Hopefully the massive success they're having in this area can carry them through their car troubles until that becomes profitable too.