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4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by kiba »

anthonyb wrote: post #16
chrischen wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DDoS or human flesh search would be morally acceptable IF there were no other recourse in society for justice. In china the government is authoritarian and the people have human flesh searches as their effective form of justice. But to condone illegal activity for change in places like the united states is to suggest that there is critical flaw in the democratic process. Is there? Because if there is then we should a…

The MPAA has powerful lobbyists. I can see people being disenfranchised pretty easily, at which point, what's your recourse? Vote in the next guy who'll be just as easily swayed? I don't agree with DDOS'ing people, but I can understand how some people might think it's one of the few options which might bring about change.

Sometime it is better to employ a taoist strategy of doing nothing and let them create their own demise. If they are targeting P2P users, than it let them know not to pirate that content and consume somebody's else. If that somebody else is smart, than he could enter into a mutually beneficial relationship rather than wasting money to try to fight piracy.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by hugh3 »

by wrote: post #17
alextgordon wrote: post #7

Oddly, while giving a tutorial on how to be a part of the DDoS, the article misses out the minor detail that it is in fact illegal.

Participating in a distributed denial of service attack is not necessarily illegal. There has to be some intent on the part of the visitor to cause damage. You could get involved in one just by innocently visiting a malicious web page which makes your browser download large files from the victim. Or suppose I set up an under-sized server with a very popular web application, the server might collapse under the load, b…

If you look at riaa.org with the intention of helping out the DDoS, it is illegal. If you do it innocently, it is not.

The question of whether your mens rea can actually be proven is an entirely different question from whether it is illegal.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by extension »

chrischen wrote: post #30
jrwoodruff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Civil disobedience has a long and recognized history and plays an important role in democratic societies as much as any other kind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks It very well could indicate a flaw in democracy, nothing is perfect.

No what 4chan is doing is akin to telling a white person to go to the back of the bus in retribution. Of course nothing is perfect, which is why if you don't believe in the democratic and judicial process then you might as well have anarchy and take everything into your own hands. We don't have a government because it's perfect. We have it because it allows us to funnel all problems with respect to it. A standardized…

No, it's like telling George Wallace to go to the back of the bus. If the MPAA wants to be the chief asshole of the internet then they don't get to play in it with the rest of us. It's not the downfall of society, it's just a little mischief to compensate for an obviously broken democracy. It has always happened and always should.

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Post by armandososa »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #4
schn wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way they can get out is to hire 4chan.

Dear RIAA/MPAA, Although Anonymous is not your personal army, and when Jesus asked them their name, they replied "My name is Legion, for we are many", and by many, they mean over 9000; and they're also a front for the Marcab Confederacy.... They take large sums of unmarked, non-sequential large denomination bills, and don't skimp on the briefcase. Deliver it to moot's beachfront property in Mexico.

What? That totally sounds like the argument for a Quentin Tarantino movie.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by armandososa »

paul9290 wrote: post #20

I think they need a new target. This would make more sense five or so years ago as these organizations have bended to the market. I can now for free use YouTube or vevo listen to any song I want either on my pc or thru their iPhone apps. Similarly use hulu , Justin TV or YouTube to watch for free mpaa content.

Yeah, if you live in the United States. If I wanted to see, say, the Lost finale before it was spoiled to oblivion I had two options:

a) BitTorrent it. b) Scream in agony.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by hugh3 »

extension wrote: post #33
chrischen wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No what 4chan is doing is akin to telling a white person to go to the back of the bus in retribution. Of course nothing is perfect, which is why if you don't believe in the democratic and judicial process then you might as well have anarchy and take everything into your own hands. We don't have a government because it's perfect. We have it because it allows us to funnel all problems with respect to it. A standardized…

No, it's like telling George Wallace to go to the back of the bus. If the MPAA wants to be the chief asshole of the internet then they don't get to play in it with the rest of us. It's not the downfall of society, it's just a little mischief to compensate for an obviously broken democracy. It has always happened and always should.

What, precisely, has the MPAA done that is so wrong?

Personally I'd take the copyright debate a lot more seriously if I could separate the folks who have legitimate and well thought-out points to make about the weaknesses of existing copyright law from the folks who just want to get stuff for free.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by [deleted] »

armandososa wrote: post #35
paul9290 wrote: post #20

I think they need a new target. This would make more sense five or so years ago as these organizations have bended to the market. I can now for free use YouTube or vevo listen to any song I want either on my pc or thru their iPhone apps. Similarly use hulu , Justin TV or YouTube to watch for free mpaa content.

Yeah, if you live in the United States. If I wanted to see, say, the Lost finale before it was spoiled to oblivion I had two options: a) BitTorrent it. b) Scream in agony.

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Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by praptak »

schn wrote: post #3
some1else wrote: post #2

RIAA and MPAA really need to come to their senses. They just can't buy more black hat firepower than disenchanted script kiddies will unleash against them for free. This is almost identical to the repercussions (having their websites defaced) of their attempts to pollute P2P networks with virus-infected seeds. They're really not good at this wannabe cyber-warfare game, and should be held responsible for misconduct, l…

The only way they can get out is to hire 4chan.

They'd have to pay in lulz, of which they have none.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by chrischen »

extension wrote: post #33
chrischen wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No what 4chan is doing is akin to telling a white person to go to the back of the bus in retribution. Of course nothing is perfect, which is why if you don't believe in the democratic and judicial process then you might as well have anarchy and take everything into your own hands. We don't have a government because it's perfect. We have it because it allows us to funnel all problems with respect to it. A standardized…

No, it's like telling George Wallace to go to the back of the bus. If the MPAA wants to be the chief asshole of the internet then they don't get to play in it with the rest of us. It's not the downfall of society, it's just a little mischief to compensate for an obviously broken democracy. It has always happened and always should.

Then let us shed some blood and refresh the tree of liberty. Who cares about the MPAA. Let's DoS the government so we can fix it. For if we ignore the root of the problem we'll have to keep being mischievous to compensate for everything, and then what are we? We would no longer be civil, and disobedience would govern us. Seriously what's the problem? Government or one anomaly that is the MPAA? If it's the former then well need more than a little mischief. We'll need revolution (or at the least major reform)! If the latter, then why the mischief, go through proper channels.

Or maybe this is about having our constitutional right to bear cyber arms (and use at will). In which case I would encourage every cyber citizen to ignore the unjust anti-DoS laws and proudly use his/her low orbit ion cannons at will. that would be civil disobedience.

Sure we're angry at the MPAA. We can choose not to accept their terms (by not buying or pirating). Or if you don't believe in copyright, pirate the stuff and take on the legal consequences. But stooping to their level is dishonorable, and questionable in motive. Sure these dos guys are probably kids but we should encourage them to hold back and fight back honorably.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Post by naner »

philk wrote: post #5

I might be missing something here but surely a web presence is not vital to either of these organizations, and while it might be satisfying to DDOS them it doesn't accomplish much. Also www.aiplex.com appears to be back up.

Reminds me of the whole "refusing to be interrogated for entering my own country" incident.

You're not sticking it to the man, you're sticking it to the low-level employee who is punching the clock for the man but doesn't actually have any say in steering procedure.

And I guess that's fine if you want the publicity. But that's all you're going to get out of it.

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