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4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Leave 4chan alone. Young freaks (and, oh, oldfags) have the same right to crowd together as everyone else. ^_^

“Orakio -> #programming: I mean I hate scientology and I don’t need to be in some group called anonymous to express that hate.” – zf04

Same can apply with anti-piracy. Anonymous = noobs.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Oddly, while giving a tutorial on how to be a part of the DDoS, the article misses out the minor detail that it is in fact illegal.

Participating in a distributed denial of service attack is not necessarily illegal. There has to be some intent on the part of the visitor to cause damage. You could get involved in one just by innocently visiting a malicious web page which makes your browser download large files from the victim. Or suppose I set up an under-sized server with a very popular web application, the server might collapse under the load, b…

No, if you innocently view a page on an underpowered server, you are not part of a denial of service attack and are, by definition, innocent. A Denial of Service attack is explicitly malicious.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Also for the young kids: illegal is not always synonymous with immoral, and sometimes to be a productive member of society you have to step across that line.

DDoS or human flesh search would be morally acceptable IF there were no other recourse in society for justice. In china the government is authoritarian and the people have human flesh searches as their effective form of justice. But to condone illegal activity for change in places like the united states is to suggest that there is critical flaw in the democratic process. Is there? Because if there is then we should a…

Civil disobedience has a long and recognized history and plays an important role in democratic societies as much as any other kind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks

It very well could indicate a flaw in democracy, nothing is perfect.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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post #23
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Participating in a distributed denial of service attack is not necessarily illegal. There has to be some intent on the part of the visitor to cause damage. You could get involved in one just by innocently visiting a malicious web page which makes your browser download large files from the victim. Or suppose I set up an under-sized server with a very popular web application, the server might collapse under the load, b…

No, if you innocently view a page on an underpowered server, you are not part of a denial of service attack and are, by definition, innocent. A Denial of Service attack is explicitly malicious.

A Distributed Denial of Service attack can be made up of a bunch of people innocently viewing a page on an underpowered server though. The people clicking on a link don't have to know they are part of an attack, even if the link was made expressly to bring a site down. A link on 4chan or any large website can easily bring down a site, especially if it's to a resource heavy page.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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post #17

Oddly, while giving a tutorial on how to be a part of the DDoS, the article misses out the minor detail that it is in fact illegal.

Participating in a distributed denial of service attack is not necessarily illegal. There has to be some intent on the part of the visitor to cause damage. You could get involved in one just by innocently visiting a malicious web page which makes your browser download large files from the victim. Or suppose I set up an under-sized server with a very popular web application, the server might collapse under the load, b…

But following the tutorial of the OP demonstrates with some certainty intent to cause damage.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DDoS or human flesh search would be morally acceptable IF there were no other recourse in society for justice. In china the government is authoritarian and the people have human flesh searches as their effective form of justice. But to condone illegal activity for change in places like the united states is to suggest that there is critical flaw in the democratic process. Is there? Because if there is then we should a…

Civil disobedience has a long and recognized history and plays an important role in democratic societies as much as any other kind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks It very well could indicate a flaw in democracy, nothing is perfect.

Civil disobedience is a very well-defined term in its proper usage, and does not extend to all forms of "breaking the law because you're angry about something".

Civil disobedience goes like this:

1. You observe that a law is unjust (no blacks at the front of the bus, no Indians making salt)

2. You break that law, and only that law, deliberately and openly.

3. You get arrested and punished.

4. The fact that you're being punished for breaking an unjust law draws attention to that unjust law.

DDoSing a website is only civil disobedience if you think that laws against DDoSing a website are unjust, and if you plan to get caught and punished for doing it.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DDoS or human flesh search would be morally acceptable IF there were no other recourse in society for justice. In china the government is authoritarian and the people have human flesh searches as their effective form of justice. But to condone illegal activity for change in places like the united states is to suggest that there is critical flaw in the democratic process. Is there? Because if there is then we should a…

The MPAA has powerful lobbyists. I can see people being disenfranchised pretty easily, at which point, what's your recourse? Vote in the next guy who'll be just as easily swayed? I don't agree with DDOS'ing people, but I can understand how some people might think it's one of the few options which might bring about change.

So you're saying the system is broken? It very well could be but you honestly think any of these kids checked to see? And if they have tried doing it legally and fail then I would like to see more fight towards that issue, as in my opinion it's a bigger issue if corporations are controlling our gov't than them attacking a few pirates.

If a law is unjust you IGNORE it. You don't take enforcement into your own hands, much less anonymous enforcement. If you truly believe what you fight for you'd come out and be proud of it because you know you're right. But nothing says uncertain motives more than cowering behind anonymity for a cause.

Re: 4chan DDoS Takes Down MPAA and Anti-Piracy Websites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DDoS or human flesh search would be morally acceptable IF there were no other recourse in society for justice. In china the government is authoritarian and the people have human flesh searches as their effective form of justice. But to condone illegal activity for change in places like the united states is to suggest that there is critical flaw in the democratic process. Is there? Because if there is then we should a…

Civil disobedience has a long and recognized history and plays an important role in democratic societies as much as any other kind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks It very well could indicate a flaw in democracy, nothing is perfect.

No what 4chan is doing is akin to telling a white person to go to the back of the bus in retribution.

Of course nothing is perfect, which is why if you don't believe in the democratic and judicial process then you might as well have anarchy and take everything into your own hands. We don't have a government because it's perfect. We have it because it allows us to funnel all problems with respect to it. A standardized process with which to improve society instead of having mobs act on impulse everytime they get angry.

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