IMO this is a lot harder than just looking at the current numbers. It is relevant to see the individual differences and impacts as well. A lot of the commonly sold 'vegan' alternatives from the hipster food section in our super markets are produced by big corps and shipped around the world. A lot of the popular super food here in Europe comes from south America. More and more fruits and vegetables either from Asia or…
Is going vegan actually helping battle climate change?
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#13I like scientific studies about this, but this won't make meat eaters change their mind. Instead, they will feel attacked. Convince them with cool things, not science.
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#14IMO this is a lot harder than just looking at the current numbers. It is relevant to see the individual differences and impacts as well. A lot of the commonly sold 'vegan' alternatives from the hipster food section in our super markets are produced by big corps and shipped around the world. A lot of the popular super food here in Europe comes from south America. More and more fruits and vegetables either from Asia or…
While I agree with you about the complexity of the issue, it doesn't seem fair to compare local meat to imported plants. What about local meat vs local plants? Local plants vs imported meat? Imported meat vs imported plants? By cherry-picking a single one of these combinations, you can make either side look favorable.
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#15IMO this is a lot harder than just looking at the current numbers. It is relevant to see the individual differences and impacts as well. A lot of the commonly sold 'vegan' alternatives from the hipster food section in our super markets are produced by big corps and shipped around the world. A lot of the popular super food here in Europe comes from south America. More and more fruits and vegetables either from Asia or…
"A lot of the commonly sold 'vegan' alternatives from the hipster food section in our super markets are produced by big corps and shipped around the world."
You're making a few conjectures here: (1) vegan food is produced by big corps (2) vegan food is "shipped around the world."
On (1): which big corps are you referring to? which vegan food? Have you noticed any broccoli or kale propaganda from these companies? Or maybe some vegan sausage commercials, or oat milk radio ads or.... any vegan food propaganda/ads? Isn't this the characteristic marketing approach for these companies?
On (2) Most vegan meat alternatives are soy based, so it's not as if these products use some rare ingredients that have to be grown in Peru. Side note: 70%-80% of the soy we grow is actually eaten by animals [1] [2],
"I love to waste time in meat areas to find the single most ecological variation I can buy" It's cool that you eat local meat, but regardless of where it comes from, animals have to eat food in order for you to eat them, so this is inherently a less efficient process than just eating the food directly (plus local animals still need to be transported to a slaughterhouse, disemboweled, etc). As for grass fed beef, they are an immensely inefficient use of land and still produce plenty of methane [3].
[1] https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/coexisten... [2] https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/amazon/land-use/soy [3] http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/10/grass-fed-cows-won-t-...
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#16IMO this is a lot harder than just looking at the current numbers. It is relevant to see the individual differences and impacts as well. A lot of the commonly sold 'vegan' alternatives from the hipster food section in our super markets are produced by big corps and shipped around the world. A lot of the popular super food here in Europe comes from south America. More and more fruits and vegetables either from Asia or…
While I agree with you about the complexity of the issue, it doesn't seem fair to compare local meat to imported plants. What about local meat vs local plants? Local plants vs imported meat? Imported meat vs imported plants? By cherry-picking a single one of these combinations, you can make either side look favorable.
http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2012/09/04/how-green-is-local-f...
http://freakonomics.com/2011/11/14/the-inefficiency-of-local...
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article does say less beef, more local fruit and veg. Also agriculture in Spain/Italy is not based on slavery.
I think some people may disagree with you there: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/oct/24/t...
This people can still quit a bad job anytime and change their company and city. Can rent or buy legally a house and have a right to private property. Can obtain a citizenship after some years. Can walk by the street with a reasonable expectative to keep their personal integrity (and not being detained and executed by the police, just because). Albinos can walk without the fear to be hunted and killed for selling their viscera. Can obtain a drive license (yes, women also). Their children go to school and minors aren't allowed to work. If a boy is beaten or a girl falls in a risk group for genital mutilation there is a law and a system that try to protect him/her and pursue the offenders. Minors can't be forced to marry or have sex with other people. There is a clearly regulated age of consent. Inappropriate conducts in the workplace can be denounced... etc, etc