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Carnegie Mellon Launches Undergraduate Degree in Artificial Intelligence

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Re: Carnegie Mellon Launches Undergraduate Degree in Artificial Intelligence

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I really do not like this move. AI and Machine Learning require graduate-level mathematical and computational skills. I don't think it's productive to pretend that we can train someone to be even remotely useful in these fields in four years of an undergraduate education. It sounds like an attempt to get around the fundamentals of csci to "skip to the interesting bits," which will produce graduates with a cursory kno…

This is completely untrue - machine learning is largely undergraduate mathematics - in fact a lot of the linear algebra is commonly taught in high school. Definitely agree it's potentially narrow, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

One of things that we should do as science progresses is open it up to more generalists as we learn its rules and how to teach it more effectively. Quantum Mechanics used to require expert knowledge to learn and use, but today, it is a standard part of undergraduate physics education, and all advanced knowledge in any field will eventually.

One of the signs of how developed a subfield of a science is is how easily it can be taught to non-experts.

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This is completely untrue - machine learning is largely undergraduate mathematics - in fact a lot of the linear algebra is commonly taught in high school. Definitely agree it's potentially narrow, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I agree. Many of the statistical concepts can be extended from advanced undergraduate stats too. I can see how the high salaries paid in these jobs would lead to some serious gatekeeping though. My concern is that these courses will likely be taught without any deference to the ethics involved in the work done, and I think that will play an increasingly important role in years to come.

Engineers need not get a postgraduate degree, but they are expected to be held to (and are legally held to) very high ethical standards.

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okay, that is in theory. Here is the syllabus: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/bs-in-artificial-intelligence/curricu... Do you think any part of that is unreasonable or putting the cart before the horse?

They did a good job on this syllabus. Something had to give, and it is math and engineering depth. No 300 or 400 level courses, like networking or OS. Skipping some close to the metal stuff is probably fine, but I am surprised not to see at least some distributed computing or systems engineering skills. I'd be concerned that a grad could work well within an ideal data env but would get blocked by not being able to en…

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Not sure how you're going to have someone understand gradient descent and backprop without having a strong command of multivariable calculus.

They taught gradient descent in my lower division math courses in college.

Multivariable calculus is a lower-division math class.

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What is the straightforward "area under the curve" definition of a line integral?

Wikipedia has a nice animation for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_integral#/media/File:Line...

Okay. I am used to this being called a path integral, and the phrase line integral being reserved for the integral of a vector field over a curve. This does not, as far as I know, admit a straightforward definition as an area under a curve.

Re: Carnegie Mellon Launches Undergraduate Degree in Artificial Intelligence

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I really do not like this move. AI and Machine Learning require graduate-level mathematical and computational skills. I don't think it's productive to pretend that we can train someone to be even remotely useful in these fields in four years of an undergraduate education. It sounds like an attempt to get around the fundamentals of csci to "skip to the interesting bits," which will produce graduates with a cursory kno…

Would you consider this degree the bare minimum subject material covered to be qualify as an "AI bootcamp" of sorts?

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I really do not like this move. AI and Machine Learning require graduate-level mathematical and computational skills. I don't think it's productive to pretend that we can train someone to be even remotely useful in these fields in four years of an undergraduate education. It sounds like an attempt to get around the fundamentals of csci to "skip to the interesting bits," which will produce graduates with a cursory kno…

This is a lie that I hear a lot from AI/ML experts. To me it reeks of gatekeeping. Yes the foundations of the field and many of the breakthroughs require this knowledge, but one can be a very effective practicioner of AI/ML techniques with a few years of undergraduate level instruction. And given how many industries are kicking the tires of AI/ML, we're going to need hordes of practicioners.

I can't create a new programming language that compiles to machine code. Maybe I shouldn't be programming?

I don't see why you need to be a domain expert of the low level details to make a career out of something so useful.

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Ha! Grad school at CMU took a chainsaw to my GPA after 1st year. Studying 16h/day and still didn't have enough time to complete all assignments and understand the material. Awesome school though, would do it again.

Serious question, from someone who hasn't had to do it: how is it possible to do productively study for 16 hours a day? Controlled substances? I don't last that long even on occasion, much less regularly.

It is not productive to study for 16h/day, or even 10h/day for an extended period. It is not only less effective for sustained learning or intellectual work than spending less but more focused time, it also leads to physical and mental health problems, and sometimes results in severe burnout.

The problem is that (a) students are young and many of them are quite inexperienced with managing their own time and work, (b) students are so stressed and sleep deprived that it is hard to introspect about process or get into a productive rhythm of focused productive work alternated with rest, and (c) there is often a workaholic student culture which creates peer pressure and presents the illusion that staring at a textbook for hours while already half asleep is the mark of a good student. For grad students (especially foreign students) sometimes there is additional pressure from abusive advisors.

It’s sad that e.g. MIT’s unofficial motto is “I hate this fucking place”.

Unfortunately the same kind of culture extends into some people’s professional lives. I dated a lawyer for a while who was a few years out of law school and working for a big firm, and with all the hours she needed to “work” and the few hours she could sleep each night her ability to think through complicated legal arguments or write briefs was severely compromised; sometimes she would be “reading” for an hour before bed with her eyes half closed, barely able to parse the words on the page. But that’s what the firm expected (and by their standards she was performing well), so she felt she had no choice.

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Wikipedia has a nice animation for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_integral#/media/File:Line...

Okay. I am used to this being called a path integral, and the phrase line integral being reserved for the integral of a vector field over a curve. This does not, as far as I know, admit a straightforward definition as an area under a curve.

If you replace area under curve with volume under surface, it seems to me that the same intuition holds.

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I did my undergrad in CS at CMU, and have first-hand experience of what’s covered in the core courses, which are also requirements for this new program. Perhaps you should take a look at the curriculum again like I told you, instead of spewing out falsehoods like “churning out candidates who don’t know what tcp is”. You’re not entitled to your own facts.

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/bs-in-artificial-intelligence/curricu... I see an Introduction to Computer Systems course which looks like the only thing that could potentially teach networking, but from looking at the curriculum, it does not. Can you please find the course on this list that teaches networking, even if it isn't in-depth?

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