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Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Anyone else use a tiling window manager like i3wm? https://i3wm.org/ Since I mostly work in the terminal, it improves my productivity quite a bit when I can navigate around and open apps without touching the mouse.

I'm using StumpWM at the moment. I love tiling managers.

I'm thinking of trying out EXWM, but I'm not sure if it's stable enough yet.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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> Ubuntu has done a bit of tweaking so that you can actually put launchers, folders, and files on your desktop, which should be welcome news for many Ubuntu users. How long that will last is an open question, though, since GNOME just completely removed the code that made it possible for Canonical to enable this feature. I was curious about this and went spelunking for more information. https://community.ubuntu.com/t/…

From what I understand, and I don't follow this particularly closely, so I might be wrong... They are removing the ability to have a Nautilus backed set of Desktop icons, with the intention of replacing this with something built in a more standard way for the rest of Gnome (which I think means web technologies?). As I understand it this not about removing desktop icons, it is about replacing unmaintained legacy code…

Yes, that's the logic behind GNOME's move, but it doesn't address the user's concerns. First of all they are removing code of a popular feature before it has been replaced. Secondly, they are adding to code duplication by creating 2 totally separate code bases.

In both OS X and Windows your desktop is just a folder with a background set to icon grid view. From right clicking to dragging, the UX is and should be identical to the file manager. So it makes sense to have that part of the UI handled by the program that's already a file browser.

Now a developer is going to recreate all of the features provided by Nautilus in a JavaScript and CSS extension. Any differences will make a janky experience for the end user.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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> Ubuntu has done a bit of tweaking so that you can actually put launchers, folders, and files on your desktop, which should be welcome news for many Ubuntu users. How long that will last is an open question, though, since GNOME just completely removed the code that made it possible for Canonical to enable this feature. I was curious about this and went spelunking for more information. https://community.ubuntu.com/t/…

> the Desktop filesystem metaphor is used by almost every single computer user I have ever seen

Smartphones, tablets, and Chromebooks are incredibly popular and lack a desktop. ChromeOS is the most similar to GNOME here, in that it has a desktop wallpaper but you cannot create anything there.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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It seems strange that Gnome is heading to an non-intuitive direction. You could have all the cool stuff but I think you also should provide the familiar Desktop metaphor elements. I already made a comment about the missing type-ahead search in Nautilus file browser, which decision destroys many people's workflows.

>> It seems strange that Gnome is heading to an non-intuitive direction. Really? I've never heard anything but non-intuitive ramblings from UI design people. None of them seem to ever actually use computers. Rather, they dream up use cases based on contrived scenarios. I want one thing: The icon is where it was yesterday. Gnome, unity all the others have one job: Let me launch the program I need and get the F out of…

> Windows XP got it right.

I'd say Windows 95 in this context. XP was the first stable version of Windows (yes, the first one deserved to be called Windows 1.0), but the Start menu was working well in Windows 95/98/ME, too.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#135

> Ubuntu has done a bit of tweaking so that you can actually put launchers, folders, and files on your desktop, which should be welcome news for many Ubuntu users. How long that will last is an open question, though, since GNOME just completely removed the code that made it possible for Canonical to enable this feature. I was curious about this and went spelunking for more information. https://community.ubuntu.com/t/…

From what I understand, and I don't follow this particularly closely, so I might be wrong... They are removing the ability to have a Nautilus backed set of Desktop icons, with the intention of replacing this with something built in a more standard way for the rest of Gnome (which I think means web technologies?). As I understand it this not about removing desktop icons, it is about replacing unmaintained legacy code…

This is not the first feature that is removed before the replacement API is added, it is similar with the tray icons, tray icons are removed and only special GNOME apps can use a "tray like icon" for now until (and if) GNOME developers add a stable API so third party apps can use it.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

I have been using XFCE for 5 or 6 years, the _best_ thing about it are it's developers, they don't keep updating it. XFCE avoids the plague which affects rest of the software industry (me included) - dedicate design, marketing, and development teams who constantly have to add something to justify their jobs and bonuses. Look at the number of app updates on mobile phones, every freaking week there is a update availabl…

There are two reasons as you probably know. In the mobile sphere you can't really afford not updating your app because it will fail to comply with the newer standards and eventually it will be removed from the app store. It's unfortunate, it's against the interest of conservative mobile device users, but there's nothing we can do about it.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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I honestly don't know what you're talking about with "random linux specific installation stuff". Installation of Linux hasn't really been any different from Windows since the early aughties as far as I can tell. Select keyboard layout, provide hostname, just let the partitioner use the whole disk automatically, configure the network, etc. As someone who frequently hates on Desktop Linux, I agree with the sentiment th…

I would really like to run Arch, but last time I checked it was a manual process (so I am on Majaro). The docs are really good. I am expert enough to get a lot of benefit from that amount of detail, but not expert enough to be bothered with the manual install process. One thing that gets me is ~12 years ago I used to install distros all the time. There was a semi standard way to partition your drive, / home and swap.…

Check out Antergos. It's effectively Arch with a modern installer.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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I honestly don't know what you're talking about with "random linux specific installation stuff". Installation of Linux hasn't really been any different from Windows since the early aughties as far as I can tell. Select keyboard layout, provide hostname, just let the partitioner use the whole disk automatically, configure the network, etc. As someone who frequently hates on Desktop Linux, I agree with the sentiment th…

Well, Windows 10 is literally pick language, pick a disk, log into your microsoft account (or create local). There are no technical decisions in the installer beyond picking a disk, and usually there is no choice there. With Linux, I have to check what the three identical guided partition options mean, check what a network mirror is, work out which server packages I need, work out what GRUB is. That's four pretty tec…

No technical decisions beyond picking a disk? That dialog is an entire partitioning tool[0], you're just choosing the easiest default, which in my experience is all you have to do for Linux installs too.

[0]https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/install...

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

Does XFCE suffer with the Gnome3 affliction of having a top menu bar and a program menu bar underneath? I am left looking through a letter box at my software. Unity was good at this...Gnome3 is not

Nope! You can configure the bars as you like.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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post #23

I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

Did you have to do anything special to get it installed? I had a ton of UEFI trouble trying to install linux at all on that model, and Xubuntu would lock up at the splash screen if installation completed. Ubuntu works well after a similarly painful installation though.

In essence there shouldn't be a difference between installing Ubuntu or Xubuntu. But if you encountered that hurdle, here's how you can get xfce on 'ubuntu': install the "xubuntu-desktop" package from apt and it'll be available as an option on your session chooser at the login screen. this is a virtual package which installs the whole xfce desktop environment. it is essentially what xubuntu does :)
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