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Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by jstarfish »

fb03 wrote: post #23

I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

Did you have to do anything special to get it installed? I had a ton of UEFI trouble trying to install linux at all on that model, and Xubuntu would lock up at the splash screen if installation completed. Ubuntu works well after a similarly painful installation though.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#112

Post by flyinghamster »

djanogo wrote: post #76
fb03 wrote: post #23

I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

I have been using XFCE for 5 or 6 years, the _best_ thing about it are it's developers, they don't keep updating it. XFCE avoids the plague which affects rest of the software industry (me included) - dedicate design, marketing, and development teams who constantly have to add something to justify their jobs and bonuses. Look at the number of app updates on mobile phones, every freaking week there is a update availabl…

I've been a big Xubuntu fan for quite a while myself. I recently put 18.04 on a VM to give it a test drive, and found that they've tweaked XFCE so that you have to be ridiculously precise at moving the mouse to a lower corner if you want to resize a window. The margin for getting a lower-corner drag cursor seems to be one pixel at best.

Argh. I've seen this problem over and over on a variety of Ubuntu versions over the years, as if they don't want me resizing windows.

Is there any way to tweak this? I'm not at all liking it. My 16.04 installations are much better in this regard.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#113

Post by 11235813213455 »

ythn wrote: post #93
fb03 wrote: post #23

I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

Been using Xubuntu since 14.04 - couldn't be happier. It's my default distro now.

Same with a L instead of the X

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#114

Post by mihaifm »

> It's a sensible change upon reflection given Wayland's long list of incomplete features like, for example, the lack of support for screen sharing in chat/VoIP apps and spotty support for VNC tools

I've been struggling with VNC on 17.10, eventually ended up installing RDP (XRDP), also buggy as hell.

Can anyone point out a good remote desktop solution for Ubuntu, that will preferably work in 18.04 ?

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by obelix_ »

djanogo wrote: post #76
fb03 wrote: post #23

I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

I have been using XFCE for 5 or 6 years, the _best_ thing about it are it's developers, they don't keep updating it. XFCE avoids the plague which affects rest of the software industry (me included) - dedicate design, marketing, and development teams who constantly have to add something to justify their jobs and bonuses. Look at the number of app updates on mobile phones, every freaking week there is a update availabl…

Just curious, how these Devs develop immunity to the "plague"?

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#116

Post by tacoman »

flyinghamster wrote: post #112
djanogo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using XFCE for 5 or 6 years, the _best_ thing about it are it's developers, they don't keep updating it. XFCE avoids the plague which affects rest of the software industry (me included) - dedicate design, marketing, and development teams who constantly have to add something to justify their jobs and bonuses. Look at the number of app updates on mobile phones, every freaking week there is a update availabl…

I've been a big Xubuntu fan for quite a while myself. I recently put 18.04 on a VM to give it a test drive, and found that they've tweaked XFCE so that you have to be ridiculously precise at moving the mouse to a lower corner if you want to resize a window. The margin for getting a lower-corner drag cursor seems to be one pixel at best. Argh. I've seen this problem over and over on a variety of Ubuntu versions over t…

Press Alt when you're near where the window handle would be and then you don't have to find the 1 pixel border.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#117

Post by tacotime »

flyinghamster wrote: post #112
djanogo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using XFCE for 5 or 6 years, the _best_ thing about it are it's developers, they don't keep updating it. XFCE avoids the plague which affects rest of the software industry (me included) - dedicate design, marketing, and development teams who constantly have to add something to justify their jobs and bonuses. Look at the number of app updates on mobile phones, every freaking week there is a update availabl…

I've been a big Xubuntu fan for quite a while myself. I recently put 18.04 on a VM to give it a test drive, and found that they've tweaked XFCE so that you have to be ridiculously precise at moving the mouse to a lower corner if you want to resize a window. The margin for getting a lower-corner drag cursor seems to be one pixel at best. Argh. I've seen this problem over and over on a variety of Ubuntu versions over t…

"Apparently this problem has been around for years, and one bug report has been closed "won't fix". The issue has been reopened with Bug 11808 - Xfwm: Increase the resize border of window.

The width of the grab area is controlled by the theme." 1

Most people appear to circumvent the problem by using another means of resizing windows.

"As soon as your keyboard-shortcut (in Xfce upstream its Alt+F8) is hit, you can then resize the window by either moving your mouse (no need to click or drag) or use your keyboard arrow keys." 2

1 https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-ma...

2 https://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce...

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#118

Post by sangnoir »

collyw wrote: post #95
habosa wrote: post #85

Been using 16.04LTS on my personal laptop for a few years, just moved to 18.04. I feel like the biggest improvement by far is the Snap package manager and its integration with the Ubuntu software store. After 10+ years of doing personal computing on Linux this is the first time that installing my main apps has ever felt sane! I was blown away by being able to install the latest Android studio, with a launcher icon, i…

What was wrong with Synaptic? I always felt the the offical Ubuntu package manager was a dumbed down version that(though its been a while sine I have used Ubuntu). Synaptic definitely felt better for installing libraries instead of applications.

> What was wrong with Synaptic?

>> broken dependencies.

Not that it's Synaptic's fault, but some packages will have conflicting dependencies, especially if you're using PPA's to get recent software versions. It's not uncommon to get "foo (latest) requires bar >=3.1 but you have bar 2.8 installed. Baz (installed) requires bar 2.8". Snaps avoid conflicts by having each app contain it's dependencies, which could otherwise conflict.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#119

Post by benjaminjackman »

flyinghamster wrote: post #112
djanogo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using XFCE for 5 or 6 years, the _best_ thing about it are it's developers, they don't keep updating it. XFCE avoids the plague which affects rest of the software industry (me included) - dedicate design, marketing, and development teams who constantly have to add something to justify their jobs and bonuses. Look at the number of app updates on mobile phones, every freaking week there is a update availabl…

I've been a big Xubuntu fan for quite a while myself. I recently put 18.04 on a VM to give it a test drive, and found that they've tweaked XFCE so that you have to be ridiculously precise at moving the mouse to a lower corner if you want to resize a window. The margin for getting a lower-corner drag cursor seems to be one pixel at best. Argh. I've seen this problem over and over on a variety of Ubuntu versions over t…

This isn't a solution but `a just in case you are not aware` You can press alt+right click and hold then drag near the corner of the window to resize it (alt+left drag moves it).

I understand that there are times when that isn't work so it's nice to have both options. ( I wrote a browser based windowing system and have experimented with having the bezels on the windows be quite large and/or auto-expanding when the mouse nears them to make resizes as easy as possible since hard to hit pixel thing annoys me so much)

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

#120

Post by Rapzid »

fb03 wrote: post #23

I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

Same story as most here; XUbuntu for the past 7-8 years. Mostly run it in a VM from Win 10 for Dev work. I really need to get that global menu bar installed after I upgrade to 18.04 though.
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