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Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by mango7283 »

rayiner wrote: post #22
azernik wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the leader isn't the point; the political parties are . He's a unifying figure for an ethnic-minority and liberal-opposition coalition very different from the one that's ruled the country since independence.

“The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” - The Prime Minister Elect of Malaysia. He’s the liberal opposition?

Not him personally, but at least 2 out of the 4 parties are, by Malaysian standards

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by prklmn »

isostatic wrote: post #28
ghba66 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice strawman. No, there is not, but everything the US and the NATO does is to protect Israel at the detriment of the rest of the world. The fact that there's no way to have this conversation just proves it further.

There is a large Jewish^W Israel-Fan-Club demographic in the US that puts the treatment as Israel as the highest importance when deciding who to vote for. Due to the way that, in the U.S. political system, power shuffles from one extreme to another at the movement of a few thousand votes, both sides have to keep that demographic on board, and that means supporting Israel's right to exist (Israel being a tiny country…

There are 5-6 million Jews in the US, that’s a small demographic any way you cut it. You could say it’s a large demographic in New York City, but I don’t think you could say that about any other part of the country.

Americans as a whole (not select demographics) overwhelmingly support Israel. Here’s a recent poll

http://news.gallup.com/poll/229199/americans-remain-staunchl...

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by Angostura »

ghba66 wrote: post #26
frostwhale wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No there isnt a secret cabal of jewish warlords ordering christians around. Or Muslims. Or atheists even for that matter.

Nice strawman. No, there is not, but everything the US and the NATO does is to protect Israel at the detriment of the rest of the world. The fact that there's no way to have this conversation just proves it further.

> everything the US and the NATO does is to protect Israel

"Everything" is pretty strong word. Let's see if it's born out: https://www.nato.int/cps/ua/natohq/news.htm

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by yen223 »

baybal2 wrote: post #2

What a surprise. I was certain that when Najib Razak will be cornered, he would've resorted to election rigging. Looks like his rating tanked so hard, that even foul play on a level available to him did not gained much for him. Congratulating Malaysian people.

The sheer number of ads and propaganda by the ruling party actually convinced me that the elections weren't going to be rigged. No one in their right mind would have invested so much time and effort winning a battle that has already been won

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by rayiner »

ptero wrote: post #27
rayiner wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The downvoting for pointing out the documented anti-semitism is interesting.

I do not think it gets downvotes for pointing out documented anti-semitism. My guess is that the first sentence is a downvote magnet. Nothing else in that post points to insanity. IMO, it rather indicates a very shrewd politician working to control public opinion and get rid of opponents using all tools available.

I think asserting that there is a vast global Jewish conspiracy points strongly to insanity.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by 1k »

As a Malaysian, this win is so amazing. Literally against all odds. I’ve never been more proud of my fellow Malaysians.

Najib had control of the Election Comission, Registry of Socieities, Attorney General, Inspector General of Police, and his own political party.

With this power he shamelessly gerrymandered, deregistered the opposition coalition, appointed someone to proclaim him innocent in 1MDB investigations, locked up the opposition leader, and sacked critics within his own party including the deputy prime minister and a VP.

Then there was also the EC who set voting date on possibly the most inconvenient date, new laws to bar advertising of the opposition prime minister candidate’s face, the Sultan who spoke out against the opposition and the Agong who stripped some opposition leaders of titles.

This is indeed a historic moment.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by azernik »

rayiner wrote: post #22
azernik wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the leader isn't the point; the political parties are . He's a unifying figure for an ethnic-minority and liberal-opposition coalition very different from the one that's ruled the country since independence.

“The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” - The Prime Minister Elect of Malaysia. He’s the liberal opposition?

He leads a breakaway party (the Malaysian United Indigenous Party [1]) that jumped over two years ago from the ruling party to the opposition coalition. That party is only a bit over 10% of the coalition that won this election (12 / 113 seats); he's basically a figurehead/placeholder with good name recognition, holding the spot until the leader of the largest party in the coalition (Anwar Ibrahim of the People's Justice Party [2], with 49 of the coalition's seats) finishes the jail sentence for his politically-motivated sodomy charges.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_United_Indigenous_Pa...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Justice_Party_(Mala...

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by ptero »

rayiner wrote: post #35
ptero wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not think it gets downvotes for pointing out documented anti-semitism. My guess is that the first sentence is a downvote magnet. Nothing else in that post points to insanity. IMO, it rather indicates a very shrewd politician working to control public opinion and get rid of opponents using all tools available.

I think asserting that there is a vast global Jewish conspiracy points strongly to insanity.

The fine point though is that asserting != believing. In population with largely anti-Israel feelings asserting it may give you short term political benefits.

Re: Malaysia Opposition, Led by 92-Year-Old, Wins Upset Victory

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Post by coldtea »

acqq wrote: post #5
qubex wrote: post #4

As somebody who frequented Malaysia extensively in the first half of the 2000s (in the aftermath of the ruinous 1997 currency crisis) I’m very curious to see how the dynamic between Mahathir and Anwar plays out: the latter was a member of the former’s government during the crisis and the former had the latter jailed on what were wildly held to be trumped-up sodomy charges (as the article mentions). This is going to b…

> former had the latter jailed on (...) sodomy charges Wow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim_sodomy_trials "Sodomy, even if consensual, is punishable by up to 20 years' imprisonment and whipping under Section 377B of the Malaysian Penal Code.[18]" "(defined as "carnal intercourse against the order of nature")" It's not written in the article how much, but it seems Anwar Ibrahim spent quite a lot of time in…

That was the law in tons of US states until 2003 or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Stat...

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