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Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by outside2344 »

asgraham wrote: post #25
sliken wrote: post #20

Since 20+ years ago I used decent window managers that let me have a 2x2 workspace. VERY simple to use. Moving the mouse works within a workspace and the same way across workspaces (mouse off any edge). Moving windows worked within workspaces (click, drag, drop) same as across workspaces (click, drag, drop). Basically the principal of least surprise. Moving the mouse and clicking shouldn't have special rules across w…

Does workspace grid [1] work on 18.04? Not sure how to get wrapping, though. [1] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/484/workspace-grid/

Not in my hands, no.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by mort96 »

asgraham wrote: post #25
sliken wrote: post #20

Since 20+ years ago I used decent window managers that let me have a 2x2 workspace. VERY simple to use. Moving the mouse works within a workspace and the same way across workspaces (mouse off any edge). Moving windows worked within workspaces (click, drag, drop) same as across workspaces (click, drag, drop). Basically the principal of least surprise. Moving the mouse and clicking shouldn't have special rules across w…

Does workspace grid [1] work on 18.04? Not sure how to get wrapping, though. [1] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/484/workspace-grid/

This isn't strictly related to your suggestion, but a more general comment.

Am I the only one who finds it a bit frustrating that any time someone complains about missing/bad functionality in gnome, someone recommends to install an extension, but when a user complains about stability or performance, their number of extensions are blamed?

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by himlion »

fb03 wrote: post #23

I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

Second this, have been running Xubuntu on my primary work laptop without issue for the last 4 years.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by random42_ »

toddkazakov wrote: post #15
neverminder wrote: post #2

I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 16.04) and I'm still using Unity. Technically Unity is not gone, but it's no longer a default, Gnome is. I've tried Gnome and was very disappointed. No global menu integration which means losing useful screen space for no good reason. Tray icons somehow look squished and ragged. No fractional scaling is a massive issue for me since I'm working with dual 27 inch 4K displays. Tray bar…

This. Lack of fractional scaling is a big deal. I have 15" Full HD screen on my laptop, and everything is too small without fractional scaling (I prefer to have it set at 1.125/1.25).

GNOME 3.28 on Wayland has this as an experimental feature.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by neverminder »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #38
neverminder wrote: post #2

I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 16.04) and I'm still using Unity. Technically Unity is not gone, but it's no longer a default, Gnome is. I've tried Gnome and was very disappointed. No global menu integration which means losing useful screen space for no good reason. Tray icons somehow look squished and ragged. No fractional scaling is a massive issue for me since I'm working with dual 27 inch 4K displays. Tray bar…

Another serious issue with Gnome IMHO, also shared with Unity, is way too small window edges so that attempting to drag-to-resize a window becomes an exercise in patience. I'm on a laptop most of the time and, like you, have absolutely no desire to go back to wasteful non-global menus. Have you eyed a replacement DE for Unity/Ubuntu going forward? Edit: OTOH, Ubuntu have clearly spent a good amount of effort to custo…

I've tried KDE Plasma too but didn't like it either. To me it looked like 15 years behind Unity in terms of polishing, aesthetics and design/look consistency of base applications such as file and task managers. Unfortunately Unity was just right for me and everything else feels like a massive step down without tweaking the shit out of it and still not quite getting wanted result.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by Dayshine »

Jedd wrote: post #22

Unity was never the main reason people chose to use Ubuntu -- it was always (well, from when I first heard about it until I lost interest (5 years ago)) the claim that Ubuntu is easier to install than Debian. I never understood the fixation about ease of installing , as that's something I either did once every few years on custom hardware, or had automated already using a CFM. For stuff I installed manually (laptops,…

>I never understood the fixation about ease of installing

The only time I use linux is when I need a linux VM for something. This happens maybe 2/3 times a year, and I can never remember all the random linux specific installation stuff. Ubuntu goes into enough detail that I don't need to google it, Debian doesn't.

My fixation is because I don't care about what version of linux I'm using, I'm not going to be using it for much, I just need a linux kernel and a reasonable package manager.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Post by Jedd »

Dayshine wrote: post #47
Jedd wrote: post #22

Unity was never the main reason people chose to use Ubuntu -- it was always (well, from when I first heard about it until I lost interest (5 years ago)) the claim that Ubuntu is easier to install than Debian. I never understood the fixation about ease of installing , as that's something I either did once every few years on custom hardware, or had automated already using a CFM. For stuff I installed manually (laptops,…

>I never understood the fixation about ease of installing The only time I use linux is when I need a linux VM for something. This happens maybe 2/3 times a year, and I can never remember all the random linux specific installation stuff. Ubuntu goes into enough detail that I don't need to google it, Debian doesn't. My fixation is because I don't care about what version of linux I'm using, I'm not going to be using it…

Are you re-installing, or re-starting, a VM for this?

If you're re-installing from scratch each time you're possibly doing that wrong.

An installation from scratch, in any case, should only ask you hostname, domain name, maybe wifi details (probably not for a VM), partitioning preference, and package / function (set of packages) --- none of this stuff benefits from a flashy / GUI installer.

> ... I just need a linux kernel and a reasonable package manager.

That last bit - that's kind of my point.

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